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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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you know i don't often talk too much

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about personal things but i do have a

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personal favorite

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holiday and that is coming up here in

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the united states

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and that's thanksgiving i just love i

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don't know why but i've always loved

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thanksgiving

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um

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you know we have we have a lot to be

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grateful for i certainly do

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um

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maybe not everyone but uh it's a great

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time to reach out to family friends and

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anyway coming up so i want to wish

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everyone in the us i'll wish all over

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the world uh but you know the u.s in

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particular we that we celebrate it here

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and i'd like to wish everyone a

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wonderful thanksgiving coming up in just

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a couple of days let's see our blog this

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week is a ufo falls to the ground in

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yorkshire england another great one by

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charles lear

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and our guest um

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well i would our guest is a different

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guest and we had planned last week and i

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will say this

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that uh it's not a bad idea to go over

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to

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podcastufo.com and go down on the

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sidebar and you'll see a mailing list

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sign up all you do is pop your email in

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there you click send and then you'll get

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a link in your email address to confirm

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it and what it is i just send out if

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there's any changes

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i will send a

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a notice out for that but also every uh

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tuesday morning ahead of the show you

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will get the blog link and you'll also

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get who the upcoming guest is of that

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day and sometimes it changes on the day

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for different reasons maybe a guest had

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to cancel for some reason or something

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else came along uh tonight dean aliotto

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uh he you saw him briefly last week in

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last week's show and he's on this week

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we're going to discuss um the overall

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state of ufology in general it's been a

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long time since he's been a sole guest

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on this show um i defer to him for a lot

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of things uh he and i have become

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friends over the years

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and he's a real sharp guy he's got his

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finger on the pulse of this he's got

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some work coming up that is going to be

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very well appreciated by everyone in

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this group and we're going to talk a

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little bit about a past situation that

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he had that is absolutely hilarious um

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he uh helped out

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james fox with his phenomenon movie he's

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been um helped out for a e specialist

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bravo discovery and uh he was featured

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in the paramount and documentary

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unknown dimensions

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and anyway i'm

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without further ado what does it do

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anyway i've never really understood what

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to do is but without further ado here is

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dean

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thank you martin glad to be back

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do you think a dew is like a honeydew

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like a honeydew melon

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is it is that what it is

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yeah i think so okay

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anyway thank you for clearing that up

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but uh welcome back to the show and um i

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you know i think we we always have fun

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together so and it was a great visit i

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had out with you when i was in

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california a few weeks ago that was just

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a blast

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and now we're paying for uh being warm

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those few weeks because right now it's

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like 34 degrees outside where where i am

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i wasn't ready for that yeah no

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and uh i i your poor thing it's probably

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down to 70 there right

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it's uh it's getting close um i'm trying

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to keep it out of sight out of mind

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because yeah i think about it too much i

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might get sad which is season right

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affected disorder where i have to be at

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a perfect balmy 74. otherwise i'm just

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extremely well you're in the right place

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there and so i won't do podcasts you're

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going to want me in your podcast and i'm

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suffering from sads yes yeah you know

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before uh before we get into like our

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main topic tonight i that we do have a

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lot of new people that listen to the

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show all the time and i don't think a

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lot of people know about uh your found

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footage

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and when i said earlier when i was

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introducing you when i said it's

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hilarious what happened

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after you created the video

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for like on a shoestring budget

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that's what became hilarious in the in

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the the outcome uh the things that

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happened after that but i'd like to play

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a clip first of all for those of uh

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for those of you who have never heard of

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this it was a it was a found footage

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actually probably the original found

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show right i mean

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this was your concept out of high school

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i've been accused a few times of this

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yes yeah move over blair rich blair

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witch okay here we go here's the clip

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one minute clip

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hold on oh it's working forget it

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what the hell was that

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holy

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he's got him he shot one of him dead

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it's right outside there

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are you sure it's not back there it's

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not back though i just took a look in

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there

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there's a little trailer there

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so let's talk about how that all started

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how that all came together but i want to

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talk about also

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about what happened to the warehouse

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and all you know the whole thing you can

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do it i know people

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some people

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i believe you told us about three years

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ago maybe four years ago in this show so

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they're like i said there's a lot of new

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people and uh it for me it never gets

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old

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i think i can do this in two or three

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minutes so if you guys have heard this

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before come back in two or three minutes

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and you'll just pick up and we'll get

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into some really cool cool well i i

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i put a time stamp last week a lot of

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people said oh you got to do that every

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week you know where you click on the

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time stamps and it goes but i'm not

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going to do that this time i don't think

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i might do it for you dean go ahead

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i'm telling you yeah

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um so here's what happened um

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i knew i wanted to be a filmmaker at an

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early age and uh one of the things that

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all of my my filmmaking idols had done

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is that they had made the first feature

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by the age of 25.

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that goes with them from orson welles

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and steven spielberg george lucas

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coppola all these cats so i decided that

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i was going to do that and

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unfortunately uh right at film school um

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all i had was a a you know a a camcorder

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and and a guy who i went to school with

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high school with who wanted to be a

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producer and said he would finance my

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first feature

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and so he

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he said uh you know let's do this i said

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great how much do you have

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and he said i'm i'm willing to spend 6

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500 bucks

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uh back then there was no dslr camera

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stuff like that it was 35 millimeter or

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16 millimeter which is is

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almost equally expensive with lab costs

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and everything

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and so i decided because i had been

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shooting with my um buddy these wedding

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videos and had decided that i was going

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you know maybe do something with that

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but i wasn't sure

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and then i had read communion around

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that time

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and it scared the hell out of me more

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than any stephen king novel

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and then i remember specifically and i

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was just mentioning to my uh girlfriend

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ally we were flying out i had a

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flashback where i remember flying up

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from san francisco and it was that

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perfect time where you go from you know

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dusk into not until night and you can

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see the curvature of the planet because

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the planet you know it's it's actually

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not flat um

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and so i uh was imagining

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leaving the planet this would be the

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last time that i would ever see the

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planet looking down out the window

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and that kind of started something and i

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thought well you know what if i

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conflator all these things that did like

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kind of like a war of the worlds on

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videotape and shot this thing in one

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take

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um

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and uh hired improv actors

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and uh and did it all in one night and

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so that's exactly uh what i did um i had

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a 10-page beat sheet of all these things

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that were based on

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what um whitley and bud hopkins book

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books had purported

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just found myself you know

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shooting this thing and and finished it

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ironically um the theme actually got

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i do remember this one story where this

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woman head of production company

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um yelled at me

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when i came in with my little teaser

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trailer for my phone because she said

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don't ever waste my time don't ever come

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back here again unless you have a real

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film

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and so that was my last second to last

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um

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uh meeting that i had with trying to

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sell this this thing i had i'm from san

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francisco and i had commuter episode to

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la just for the purposes of selling this

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thing so i thought well that was it my

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very last meeting met with this guy and

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he says i love it let's do it

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and uh so that was it so

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i checked in a few months later i'd

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given them all my artwork my master the

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whole deal and i said hey so you know

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how are the pre-orders how are we doing

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and it goes uh it's uh

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went up in flames man

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and i thought oh we're on fire we're

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crushing i go oh how many units and he

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said all of them

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and i said we've blonder all the units

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and he said no no they literally all

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went up

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and then he

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explained to me that the warehouse

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burned to the ground and i lost all my

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main masters or one my one main master

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all of my artwork gone history

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and so uh

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you know we're kind of depressed but i

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thought that the film gods might have

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been telling me something and so it was

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time to move on

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and so i did

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uh flash forward to five years later

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and i get a call from this guy uh sean

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david morton

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um

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saying

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hey um do you know who found this

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footage

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uh your name came up and that was the

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first time i'd ever heard found footage

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and this would have been

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let's see the early 90s

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and i said uh i said what did you talk

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to me i told it you know explain to me

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and i said well you know no one found

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that we made it he says okay do you know

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what's been going on with your film and

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i'm like dude who the hell are you and

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he says i just got back from the

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international ufo congress convention

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where your film was shown

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and believed to be the real thing

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um

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tom dango ufo researcher had gotten his

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hands on it

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and then ufo researcher

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lieutenant colonel retired uh don ware

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the air force intelligence claimed it

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was authentic and that pretty much

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nailed it uh it's uh infamy right then

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and there

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and so i was amused by it i didn't

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understand what any of that meant all i

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knew was that sean was saying unsolved

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mysteries hard copy and this fox show

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called encounters all wanted to

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want to interview me into a story on the

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segment and i said to him

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well

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unsolved mysteries i guess that's out

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and he says what do you mean i said well

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it's called unsolved it's not called

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solve mysteries

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he says well not necessarily

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and i said no sean

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um who's going to give us most air time

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and he you know fox turned out they were

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going to give us six and a half minutes

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and let us do a little bumper and so

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went on that show and then they

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interviewed a couple other people and

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what we kind of

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figured out was that someone much more

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clever than i am and more devious than i

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am

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edited off the credits because a few mom

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and pop video stores

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uh got advanced screeners and cut off

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the credits and injected to the ufo

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community which took about five years to

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fully

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implode or explode

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um and uh become this strange um you

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know kind of conspiracy phenomenon

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and so i went out on you know national

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tv and debunked my own film i think i'm

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the first and only filmmaker so far to

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debunk their own film

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but i have enough respect for ufo

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researchers that that i don't want any

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more you know stuff on their plate that

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they don't need

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so

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you know that was it i thought well

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there's my 15 minutes of fame you know

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time to move on

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and then

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i meet this head writer we're working on

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the stephen j kennel crime series and he

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says i heard about this thing i want to

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see and i said not as crappy as handheld

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it's this thing that's meant to look

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like a home video because no one had

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done that at this time still

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um it was years away from blair witch

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and so there's no reference for it and

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so he said you know shut up and show it

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to me

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and he got a movie deal set up at dick

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clark productions so we did a remake of

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it

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essentially and um now the budget was

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1.25 million we were shooting up in

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canada with the guys from the x-files

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and uh to do the ship and aliens

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and so now we had a week instead of one

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day and we came in half a million under

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budget

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and

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that extended that you know 15 minutes

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to maybe 17 minutes

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and um and then i got fired

389
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because everyone at upn

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um got fired which means that any

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project that's there they get kicked to

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the curb

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so um

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they go out and they put in more

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interviews except they put in

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i had fake interviews that were intercut

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throughout the footage

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they brought in

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stan friedman

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uh uh daryl sims

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my good friend yvonne smith

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and

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it looked like they were you know

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conjecturing about the actual uh show

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which wasn't cool i do remember um

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i do remember uh uh stan friedman on

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coast to coast

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and all these people were infuriated and

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they were calling in and said you need

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to sue them and i was going yes please

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sue to sue them

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and so um anyway um

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that was it and you know i thought well

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there you go i'm done i finished up my

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time in this space and i've enjoyed it

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and

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that was it by the way the first online

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poll was done

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um which was

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asking if this is real or not and that

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was after the credits said you know

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alien one and two and three played by so

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and so and and i i you not 49

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of the audience claimed it was authentic

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after seeing all that so that kind of

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you know taught me something the power

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of you know showing

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and then over the years

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i thought you know again that was it

430
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then over the years all these

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conspiracies started to build and one of

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them

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was that um and the original name of

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that remake for upn was the mcpherson

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tape

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which for some reason was ascribed now

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onto the original which was called ufo

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abduction the one i had done in 89

439
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but anyway it was

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rebranded as alien abduction incident in

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my county

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and so

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the internet came and started firing off

444
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all these um conspiracies that um

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that i was hired by the government

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to

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scent of the original one

448
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because that's apparently what happens

449
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is they hire filmmakers to throw people

450
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off the set they should have done that

451
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with jfk i guess with a 1.5 1.5 million

452
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,759
dollar budget that's pretty good yeah

453
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that's pretty good i i got a very small

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percentage of that so i need to talk to

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my agent about that in the future if i'm

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engaging in conspiracy activities so

457
00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:35,120
anyway

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you know i thought that was it and then

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lo and behold uh

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2018 17 rolls around and

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and alejandra when i connect rojas and

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he says hey karen who runs the

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00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:49,600
international ufo congress convention

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broad

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they want to do a special anniversary uh

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screening of the film they want me to

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come out and speak

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and so uh i did that

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and then

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fantastic fest they also want to do this

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um

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you know re-release of the film which is

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alamo drafthouse and so that happened

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and then um it just kept snowballing

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and

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i started meeting people

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that

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you know the spectrum of people you meet

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someone who tells you

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at the fire pit

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at the um what is it what's the name of

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that the hotel

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at the international ufo congress

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convention used to be at the

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has a uh

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it's the name what uh

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god i forgot the name what took

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something um resort that we were staying

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at in phoenix um

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yes so the first night i got there there

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was this guy who was sitting there

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slamming some bud and telling me that he

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was born with vulcan ears and his damn

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parents had rounded them out and he was

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pissed off and so it went from that

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to going to a support group

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um

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with yvonne smith saying hey i've got

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the support group with experiencers and

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i thought i told my girlfriend ali i

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said

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well this will be the true tale of the

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tape you know we'll see what what we get

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here but i'm expecting it to be a little

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bit you know the full spectrum of you

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know

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from credible to maybe not so credible

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and so i came home and she says well how

509
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was that and i said horrifying

510
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i believed every single one of them

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and i've worked for 20 years on crime

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shows and not a blip on my

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meter went off and

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and

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that

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and a few other

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you know incidences meeting people and

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stuff got me thinking that

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there was something in the space that i

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had not seen before

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um

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in in a either a movie or a series and

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so

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that unfortunately

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was the gateway drug that got me into

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this four-year nearly four-year

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odyssey of creating a science

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documentary not a ufo and alien document

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but a science documentary about ufos and

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aliens which i've just wrapped as of

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last week

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and it's a three-parter

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um i've got great people from you know

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harvard um

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00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,000
uh oxford um you know people who

536
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like i've got michio kaku i've got the

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guy who created the um

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the um

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00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:26,720
simulated reality hypothesis who's there

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um i've got um

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singularity

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expert

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and best-selling author

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daniel wilson among other people like

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travis walton and and some regulars but

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there's new information stuff so if i

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brought someone in who we've seen before

548
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,200
uh i made sure that we got some new

549
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,720
information that we hadn't got before

550
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because for me ultimately

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i thought

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even though i've been tracking this

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since i was a kid the phenomenon

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00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:54,000
i wanted to make something that was

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somewhere between the dummies guide to

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ufo and aliens and the new england

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journal of medicine

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so that there would be a nice

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00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,720
introduction into this world

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00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,799
but i wouldn't leave the people who who

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00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:06,640
follow this the hardcore you know people

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like us

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00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,280
um and the dust that there would be

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something new a mic drop in every

565
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,520
episode and so i'm i'm happy to say that

566
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,600
we were able to accomplish that and

567
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:17,280
you're going to see some really

568
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:18,559
cool stuff

569
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,840
that you've not seen before and so um

570
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,159
that's uh kind of uh

571
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,480
my journey up until this moment and and

572
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,400
martin was the first person that i think

573
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,080
one of the first podcasts

574
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,679
um that i did

575
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,720
when uh

576
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,320
i came out of the closet if you will in

577
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:36,559
2017 18.

578
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,200
yeah well i think that's where we met at

579
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,440
yeah we met there that that year

580
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:44,240
and kind of been in touch ever since

581
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:47,520
and uh and it's been a lot of fun but um

582
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,919
you've had people also

583
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:50,720
that

584
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,640
is really hilarious like they knew the

585
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:58,159
people in the film and those that's a

586
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,120
real family and

587
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:03,120
and uh yeah

588
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,880
you know i mean that that kind of shows

589
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,520
you how strong someone's belief can be

590
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,840
in something really

591
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,080
well i got i would get hate mail or

592
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,640
email and my favorite of all time was

593
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:17,200
this guy saying you know i see right

594
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,640
through you

595
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,640
um how do you explain

596
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:22,799
my mother's best friends being best

597
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,679
friends

598
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,000
with the woman who know knew the woman

599
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,320
who was abducted who was the mother and

600
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:31,440
my thing and i said you got me i can't

601
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,640
explain how your mother is good friends

602
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:36,080
with a woman who's friends of a

603
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,520
fictional character

604
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:39,360
i can't i can't help you there i don't

605
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:45,750
yeah yeah but anyway i've seen

606
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,720
uh you know i do remember you speaking

607
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,200
about that and then i've seen you all of

608
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,640
a sudden

609
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,360
taking this thing very seriously and

610
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,080
really doing a deep dive in the last

611
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,400
several years and and uh you know you're

612
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,240
often you're in the background you know

613
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,760
watching my show a lot of times and

614
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,480
watching many others and you really have

615
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:09,679
taken a keen interest and so you happen

616
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,120
to come along at a time where

617
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,159
it's much uh more taking this subject to

618
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,919
take much more seriously than it has

619
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:18,640
been

620
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:23,440
and for the years ahead of that

621
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,200
so your timing was really good and uh

622
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,960
and when you're interviewing all these

623
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:30,880
people how many people in total do you

624
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,520
have in these this three-part

625
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:34,960
docu series i

626
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,760
i interviewed 53 people it was supposed

627
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,440
to be 12 people and i was going to be

628
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,200
done in six to nine months

629
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:43,120
when i consulted with um

630
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,240
uh

631
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,960
james fox on the phenomenon briefly

632
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,960
i uh i said to him you know this is

633
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:50,240
eight years nine years you're at this

634
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,520
that's not sustainable you know that

635
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,760
right because yeah i know and here i am

636
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,120
four years

637
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,679
into it and so it does grab a hold of

638
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,000
you what happens is is this

639
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,960
it's you know you you interview someone

640
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,200
and they go okay the questions that

641
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,640
you're asking me

642
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,000
um i can only partially answer those

643
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,080
because they're out of my purview but

644
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:14,080
you should talk to this person

645
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:15,600
and then that person leads to someone

646
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,720
else and pretty soon you know this web

647
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,360
starts to build out and you know years

648
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,919
go by and dozens of interviews you know

649
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:25,039
going at some point you have to cut

650
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,320
yourself off

651
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:28,720
and so uh my last interview

652
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,600
was um i had two interviews one of them

653
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,600
is a special guest who i can't say who

654
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,600
it is who uh

655
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,440
is uh one of the last interviews in

656
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,760
episode three but greg bishop

657
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,679
was the second to last one

658
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,919
and um he offered a couple really funny

659
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:46,240
terrific lines um

660
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:46,960
but

661
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,320
yeah it it really um

662
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,679
boy uh

663
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,200
it just became this whole thing i mean

664
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,039
it started as a feature film

665
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,200
that became this three-parter so that

666
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,799
gives you kind of an idea and out of the

667
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,080
53

668
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,600
only three of those

669
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,279
um didn't make it

670
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:05,039
into this the other ones will probably

671
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:06,559
end up being and you know i want to do a

672
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,600
really good

673
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:09,120
behind the scenes or special feature

674
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,480
bonus stuff

675
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,159
that is you know things that you also

676
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,919
haven't seen before so

677
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,520
well i've i've been in touch a little

678
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,760
bit here and there with james fox lately

679
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,200
and he is

680
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,039
in the middle of something he's not not

681
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,679
really giving me any details but he's

682
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,760
he's working like

683
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,320
crazy right now on something

684
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,240
so uh you may know more about that than

685
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,799
i do i don't know what is what is common

686
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,120
knowledge and what is not but uh

687
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,960
but he's he's got something going on

688
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,679
when it comes to the ufo uh

689
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,279
once again

690
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,559
what i can tell you what i can share

691
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,480
with you about his new documentary is

692
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,600
absolutely nothing

693
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,520
the way that you like it yeah

694
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,279
yeah just like i wouldn't want anyone

695
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:53,919
sharing anything um about my stuff until

696
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,720
it's time but i i do know that that um

697
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,720
if anyone's gonna unearth

698
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,559
something that's going to uh

699
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,640
you know uh be a nice um

700
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,400
check on the richter scale it'll be

701
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,799
james so i'm i'm equally i'm with

702
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,320
everyone else i'm very excited to see

703
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:10,799
what he's going to be coming up with i

704
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,679
know that he's very enthused so um

705
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:15,679
you know it'll be worth it whatever it

706
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,120
is right and where do you expect uh or

707
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,320
do you haven't you got you have not sold

708
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,720
this thing yet we have no idea when we

709
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:26,799
can watch and where we can watch it but

710
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,000
can you direct people to your website or

711
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,320
some way where they can figure out how

712
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,880
these things are going to be released

713
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:36,159
um

714
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,190
especially these films that are made

715
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,279
independently like um

716
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,200
like you know um

717
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,279
jeremy corbell and fox and other

718
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,200
filmmakers um they're out there we make

719
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:51,520
these things independently and then we

720
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,320
um

721
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,080
you know pull together with our sales

722
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:56,080
team and then we go out and we see you

723
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,520
know what the temperature is out who's

724
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,640
interested etc and hit that so until

725
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:02,000
then i'm not going to be showing a

726
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,400
trailer we have a trailer uh that an

727
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,240
editor from netflix cut

728
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:08,080
not that it's going to be at netflix

729
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:09,279
there's no guarantees of where we're

730
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,480
going to be

731
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,799
at this point um we'll probably close a

732
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,159
deal if not by the end of the year first

733
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,360
thing uh come the new year and so then i

734
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,679
can talk more freely about you know when

735
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,520
it'll be targeted etc

736
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:23,200
so um

737
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,559
yeah i mean

738
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,480
right now um

739
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,240
there's there's you know

740
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,919
there'll be more occasionally if you go

741
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,960
to yeah

742
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,919
on um

743
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,400
if you go to uh instagram dean eliot

744
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,159
occasionally i post things behind the

745
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,840
scenes things of what's going on there

746
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,080
my name dean elliott or dean underscore

747
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,159
eliot i think it might be

748
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,320
uh or my dean elliott page on facebook

749
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,720
um yeah fan page well you'll definitely

750
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,520
be

751
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,240
uh

752
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,320
back on to promote it once it's out so

753
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:51,840
we'll get the word out there for sure

754
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,039
and put it up on the website as well

755
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:57,600
so i wouldn't worry about that now i do

756
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,400
want to say that and i know you you know

757
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,799
as much as i do about this too but since

758
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,080
we're talking about films when they're

759
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,440
coming out i know

760
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,440
that i get at least two or three emails

761
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,279
a week and i'll get probably several

762
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,520
after this if i don't address it and

763
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,440
that is uh i have no idea when the

764
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,159
ariel's phenomenon is coming out

765
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,320
um you know i've heard rumors that it

766
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,760
was going to be before the end of this

767
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,559
year

768
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,559
it was going to be on a major streaming

769
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,039
platform i have no other information

770
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,720
can't find out any information just to

771
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,679
let everyone know so i apologize i

772
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,440
thought uh

773
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,279
i should hear something back

774
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,520
um at this point but i still have no

775
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:37,440
information on that it's kind of a mess

776
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,480
your guess

777
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,919
yeah your guests can is going to be as

778
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,360
good as mine um

779
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,640
i i

780
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,159
i'm sure i just know as much as you

781
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,640
which is that they've made a deal

782
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,480
i believe with a distributor if that's

783
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,039
all been you know signed and dotted um

784
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,640
and so i

785
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,799
if i had to you know venture a guess i

786
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,240
would say it would be coming out

787
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,399
sometime uh next year hopefully early

788
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,360
next year but only randy

789
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:04,000
nickerson will have the answer to that

790
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,440
but um

791
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,120
you know it's uh it's an important

792
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,640
documentary

793
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,159
and um

794
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,720
you know i i like seeing this shift

795
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:14,320
from the nuts and bolts craft to the

796
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,600
experiencers

797
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,120
who for me

798
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,480
um you know these are the um emissaries

799
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,240
of the phenomena you know you want to

800
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,919
talk about disclosure

801
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,279
these are the people who are having

802
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:27,120
disclosure on a personal you know one by

803
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,399
one basis

804
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,399
it's probably a lot safer than landing

805
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,559
on the white house house lawn and you

806
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,240
know getting shot at and then asking

807
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,799
them questions later on oh oh you were

808
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,480
oh we didn't know sorry

809
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:39,679
um

810
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,640
you know that that are the closest links

811
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,039
that we have and so i i really want to

812
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,720
see them have their

813
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,679
um

814
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,279
their seat at the table i think that's

815
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,919
kind of critical to go beyond just the

816
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,360
kind of viewing these things there's

817
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,880
other things that are happening and

818
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,480
there's enough cases out there to

819
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,200
substantiate this is as strong as you

820
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,120
know a photograph i would say especially

821
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,559
in some cases yeah yeah to me i uh

822
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,559
people ask me what i think is the most

823
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,799
important case i actually

824
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,279
i have to put this one at the top and

825
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,279
you know it's there may be a few that

826
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,600
are close second but um

827
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,559
i think the ariel um incident is to me

828
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,240
the most convincing

829
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,320
of all them out there that something

830
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,320
really strange and i know there's

831
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,039
there's more evidence so to speak when

832
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,880
it comes to like the nimitz case and

833
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:34,880
other cases where there's all kinds of

834
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,679
other you know backed up data

835
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,080
um and there's no data there's just you

836
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,399
know several many many school children

837
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,080
that saw this thing and

838
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,559
and uh right away drew pictures of it

839
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,559
and it carried this thing all through

840
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,279
their lives all these these children

841
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,000
i've interviewed two of uh the students

842
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,480
yeah and um one of them drops a bit or

843
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,840
not yeah

844
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,360
yeah i interviewed two of them one of

845
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:02,080
them uh drops does a big mic drop

846
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:02,880
um

847
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,000
can you tell that i enjoy teasing can

848
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:10,559
you just a little bit yes yes yeah

849
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:11,679
always

850
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,880
yeah um and so uh

851
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,640
you know if you were to say

852
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,840
let me create a perfect scenario for a

853
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:22,159
ufo case what would that be would be

854
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,360
broad daylight because i don't want to

855
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,919
hear any talk about sleep paralysis

856
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:27,840
it would be several witnesses

857
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,799
and um it would be

858
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:31,760
you know

859
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,840
experienced by people who are not

860
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,840
um uh not gonna be subjected to having

861
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,000
ideas that are gonna you know filter are

862
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,760
gonna shave their opinion they would

863
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,000
just be raw this is what i saw and that

864
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,159
would be children and so i don't think

865
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,840
it's an accident that it happened at a

866
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,640
school yard and as a

867
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,159
preston

868
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:54,000
um will tell you

869
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,679
that there's been tons of uh school yard

870
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,080
encounters this happens in zimbabwe it

871
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,559
happens in a school that i sound like

872
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,960
i'm promoting randy's movie but maybe

873
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:07,600
i'm promoting both of ours

874
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,720
um

875
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,919
that uh

876
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,880
you know

877
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:12,799
it's a progressive school where there's

878
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,840
um black white christian muslim uh

879
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,720
catholics across the board um out in the

880
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,760
country

881
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,320
and uh it's witnessed by not 62 as was

882
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:24,000
you know originally reported

883
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,799
it's

884
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,559
witnessed by much more and as fox

885
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,240
revealed it was witnessed by one of the

886
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,080
teachers as well who was

887
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,840
too afraid and even terrified to say

888
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,960
anything

889
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,240
um

890
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,000
but that's you know

891
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,760
there it is it's right there and they're

892
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,440
all saying essentially the same exact

893
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,519
thing drawing the same pictures

894
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,880
and they're getting you know more

895
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,120
important they're getting the images of

896
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,200
what you know not all of them but the

897
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,640
ones that were up close

898
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,840
um

899
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:52,159
mostly receive these these telepathic

900
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,120
images

901
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,360
so this to me is a watershed moment it's

902
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,960
1994.

903
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,320
this is before the internet and

904
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,440
everything where these kids would have

905
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,120
known about that

906
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,760
um you know and and i doubt they had

907
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,200
even seen e.t

908
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,799
you're at the moment you know let alone

909
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,240
close encounters and stuff like that

910
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,600
where you see the typical you know

911
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:11,360
grazes they described

912
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:12,080
so

913
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,360
you know

914
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,159
a lot of them didn't even have tvs

915
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,640
you know they didn't have television

916
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,799
no and they were worried about getting

917
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,840
in trouble

918
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:24,159
for seeing this thing yeah

919
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,120
because they thought their parents are

920
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,799
going to give them grief and stuff and

921
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,720
and some of the parents did some of the

922
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,480
parents thought it was

923
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,509
yeah and that's the other thing is you

924
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:37,039
know

925
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,399
that's another good reason for them not

926
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:40,799
just to show up and start doing you know

927
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,399
um tucker carlson and other shows on

928
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,559
both sides because you know someone's

929
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,320
going to come out and throw down on on

930
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,600
the demon card

931
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:51,360
and say yeah they're

932
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,480
they're here they're going to eat our

933
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,320
souls start with their brains and then

934
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,720
work their way to our souls so

935
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,720
yeah um

936
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,679
yeah and and you know to be honest

937
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,679
i i think the best way

938
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,840
for anyone who's approaching this or are

939
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,360
interested in this

940
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,960
or even has been at this a long time we

941
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:10,320
have to kind of constantly remind

942
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,279
ourselves

943
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,799
what would we do

944
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,799
not that we're an indicator of of you

945
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,279
know what what would happen but would we

946
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,440
you know the prime directive star trek

947
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,120
are we going to show up and we're going

948
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,799
to like you know

949
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,480
throw ourselves a party come with the

950
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,039
boombox blaring and going yo guys what's

951
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,360
up we're just a few light years over

952
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,279
heard you guys were you know got some

953
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,519
cool bands no

954
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,039
yeah we're going to

955
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:37,279
study them like entomologists and as i

956
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,559
said on your show

957
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,320
i get really pissed off

958
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,159
when i hear talk of

959
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,440
um

960
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,880
that you know what would they want with

961
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,559
us we're so primitive they could you

962
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,720
know they couldn't they could care less

963
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,279
and you know as i said before this is an

964
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,919
intelligence beauty contest

965
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,279
all life

966
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,200
is of interest

967
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,960
you know one life form is not less

968
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:00,720
valuable than another

969
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,519
uh so i i think that all of that has to

970
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,720
be considered

971
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:07,039
and and if that's the case

972
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,399
you know and if we were in that

973
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,919
situation where we were so advanced and

974
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,399
we had survived the pettiness that we

975
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,839
have a lot on this earth what would we

976
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,919
do and it would be to check out other

977
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:17,040
civilizations and see where they're

978
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,919
going

979
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,879
um the question is do they nudge us

980
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,440
you know do they give a little

981
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:25,280
you might want to not press that red

982
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:26,159
button

983
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:27,440
you know

984
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,720
um so it's kind of um

985
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,240
yeah i mean there's a lot of answers by

986
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,599
looking within

987
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:36,159
and and you know which is kind of tough

988
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,440
because you can't look it from the human

989
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,560
perspective

990
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,639
right because that's just projecting

991
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,520
right yeah but but you can't lift it but

992
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,000
you just did you just said uh you know

993
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,520
we'd study them

994
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,679
like we were studying ants

995
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,679
yeah but you know why

996
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,280
yeah because there's one thing that i

997
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,839
think all intelligent life has

998
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,520
across the board

999
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,400
and we see it here from ants to humans

1000
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,320
which is curiosity i knew you're going

1001
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,480
to say that

1002
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,119
yeah yeah well yeah i mean if they

1003
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:09,200
didn't have curiosity

1004
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,640
you're right they wouldn't even be

1005
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,240
exploring

1006
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,280
space or

1007
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:17,440
another dimension or whatever it is they

1008
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,480
wherever they come from um they're the

1009
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,880
only reason they'd be here is you're

1010
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,880
right curiosity i would think it

1011
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,280
wouldn't be by accident

1012
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,839
no but they want to be sane

1013
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,720
um

1014
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,880
they do sometimes they've got you know

1015
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,320
lights flashing

1016
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,079
what's that all about

1017
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,599
you don't you don't need that it's kind

1018
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:40,000
of like as a as greg bishop would say

1019
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,440
it's kind of this weird

1020
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:44,240
you know uh kabuki and probably graham

1021
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,680
will echo that as well it's this weird

1022
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,920
kabuki where they just uh

1023
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,680
you know come and want to be seen and

1024
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:51,119
and

1025
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,119
affected i've got a documentary film of

1026
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:57,440
filmmaker friend of mine who called me

1027
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,560
last year

1028
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,200
and said um

1029
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,800
hey i need to talk to you i understand

1030
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:05,359
that you're kind of into ufos

1031
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:08,640
uh and i said yeah sure and he said i

1032
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,560
saw something at 4 am on my balcony and

1033
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,359
um i don't believe in ufos let me just

1034
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,040
say that right off the bat i think that

1035
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,839
whole thing is you know bs and and we're

1036
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,640
it

1037
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,040
and i go okay

1038
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,040
well you're entitled to that and he said

1039
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,599
but this has got me shaken up

1040
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,079
uh shaken up he said i saw this

1041
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,040
silver craft going along silently and

1042
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,680
maybe it was 25 feet long and it was

1043
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,599
moving along had this kind of blue light

1044
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,880
or flame

1045
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,800
in the back of it and it was moving

1046
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,400
along silently

1047
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,839
and he said just the appearance of it

1048
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,920
he could he had a sense this kind of

1049
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,119
connection

1050
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,119
i'm not from here

1051
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,119
like he he felt that

1052
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,720
and then the light

1053
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,400
flashed and it was gone he says it

1054
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,920
wasn't like you could see it take off it

1055
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:00,079
was just like gone like it you know

1056
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,520
phased out

1057
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,680
and so he was calling me

1058
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:05,760
uh freaked out and like needed to be

1059
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:09,280
talked off you know off the limb

1060
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,599
and so um i directed him to uh earl grey

1061
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:16,000
you know mufon uh la director which

1062
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,119
might have been a bad thing because who

1063
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,640
knows what earl's going to do that guy's

1064
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:20,880
crazy no

1065
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,320
so uh uh he you know he's gonna kind of

1066
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,640
let him know hey you're one of many you

1067
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,320
know you don't have to be a believer to

1068
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:30,880
witness these things you know uh my

1069
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,160
mother's seen one my ex saw one

1070
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,480
i've not seen one that's not cool

1071
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,680
but um

1072
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,960
you know that's why i think because i

1073
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,240
haven't seen one

1074
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,680
that's why

1075
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,520
you know when i say that i've seen

1076
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:45,680
something or or if someone has given me

1077
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:48,880
some evidence you know i always say

1078
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,440
you know i'm not an easy first date

1079
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,480
you're not going to get far with me on

1080
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,440
the first date i have to be convinced

1081
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,119
i have to be proven

1082
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,800
you know i have to feel like it's

1083
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,359
genuine it's authentic it's real love

1084
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:03,680
and this is a real reality and then when

1085
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,560
it is i can give myself but until then

1086
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,400
um i'm going to have that wall you're

1087
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,599
going to get the handshake at the end of

1088
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,000
the night for me until uh you know i

1089
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,599
believe that that we have something

1090
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,440
legit

1091
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:17,119
um i got to tell you that you just

1092
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,640
brought up about the have the lights

1093
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,520
here and i had a science teacher the

1094
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,880
last time

1095
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,119
we brought this up i asked him if he'd

1096
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,480
come on the show

1097
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,160
give his opinion you know maybe just for

1098
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,720
a clip or something but when it comes up

1099
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,040
about why do

1100
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,079
uh you know ufos seem to a lot of them

1101
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:37,599
seem to have lights

1102
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,480
um

1103
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:40,560
he came up he wrote me this here we as

1104
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,839
humans in the 21st century believe that

1105
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:45,920
the use of artificial light is limited

1106
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,480
to the following well it's kind of long

1107
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,839
for me to go into he goes into

1108
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,839
photography vitamin d maintenance and

1109
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:53,040
temperature

1110
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,240
um

1111
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,079
drying and evaporating sterilization

1112
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,040
solar energy and then he goes on to what

1113
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,400
he thinks the possibility of ufos why

1114
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,160
they have lights maybe sensors for

1115
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,400
various applications the source of

1116
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:08,720
propulsion or an element that is needed

1117
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:11,680
for propulsion the visual byproduct of

1118
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:15,040
photons required to cloaking apparatus

1119
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,560
again the byproduct of the use of

1120
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,400
photons stimulate the earth's magnetic

1121
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,480
field in order to open the gateway to a

1122
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,800
different dimension he has all these

1123
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,720
things simply navigation lights to one

1124
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,880
other crafts in their location clearly

1125
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:28,560
these things are solid objects and they

1126
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,440
can be

1127
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,400
susceptible to collisions the byproduct

1128
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,040
of the process to convert dark matter or

1129
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:37,520
dark energy into something else like

1130
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,880
full fuel food water oxygen things like

1131
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,200
that so anyway it's pretty interesting

1132
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,359
this science teacher wrote me from

1133
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,200
canada um

1134
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,000
and uh are one of those things

1135
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,160
are one of those things a sun lamp

1136
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,400
that that that's right go out there with

1137
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,599
our photo albums we put remember

1138
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,440
aluminum foil over that you get the

1139
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,280
whole eva yeah you gotta get underneath

1140
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,960
there yeah um

1141
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,680
yeah yeah again we don't know and all we

1142
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,000
can do is throw out our best guess

1143
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,480
but um you know i kind of

1144
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,520
look at

1145
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,800
at this from

1146
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,079
you know

1147
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,079
first of all

1148
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,160
how they appear and disappear

1149
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,480
um if you can cloak yourself why do you

1150
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,920
appear

1151
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,440
you know and then you could tell me well

1152
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,280
it's because they can't sustain that the

1153
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,119
whole time and they need to refuel or

1154
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,119
whatever but there's more than enough

1155
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,960
accounts and even with fravors you know

1156
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,280
commander fravor says this thing became

1157
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,920
aware of me and it turned its head like

1158
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,359
a dog going

1159
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,720
turned and looked

1160
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,640
and came at him like the whole craft had

1161
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,240
awareness

1162
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,079
which you know all these things it might

1163
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:46,400
be weird and outside the realm

1164
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:47,280
but

1165
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:48,480
that's where

1166
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,800
clean shiny

1167
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,119
you know frisbee looking craft that

1168
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,640
comes and lands and they get out and

1169
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,880
everything it's it's the stuff before

1170
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,400
and after that you see or the things

1171
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,040
that that just seems so bizarre um for

1172
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:04,560
the longest time

1173
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,920
and this has happened many a time where

1174
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,079
i feel like i have it i think i've got

1175
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,359
it figured out i think i've got a clue

1176
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:11,200
here i've got a threat and i tug and the

1177
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,400
whole thing comes apart and that's

1178
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,200
happened many times one of the times was

1179
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,839
when i kept hearing about um deceased

1180
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,400
relatives who were on these crafts

1181
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,760
i thought well

1182
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,640
if they're traveling the astral plane

1183
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,119
which you know my background was much

1184
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,920
more in spirituality um

1185
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,079
you know tibetanism

1186
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,400
and buddhism and so taking those things

1187
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,240
from reincarnation and everything and

1188
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,640
looking at you know when you die you do

1189
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,960
carry on i believe that all matter

1190
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,400
you know has energy and energy can't be

1191
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,560
destroyed and i thought if they're

1192
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,000
phasing or they're traveling in the

1193
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,960
astral plane you might see that so if

1194
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:50,000
you

1195
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,599
are are say materialize into their

1196
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,839
you know their channel their dimension

1197
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,280
and you're in the astral plane you might

1198
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:59,040
see stuff like that so it won't be so

1199
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,920
weird

1200
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,520
and so someone may argue well they're

1201
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,720
tricksters and they're trying to make

1202
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,400
you feel at home it's like well if

1203
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,480
they're doing that then as travis walton

1204
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,160
says why don't they all just look like

1205
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,480
us that'll make us feel much better uh

1206
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,839
you know you can pick the celebrity if

1207
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,599
you want george clooney to abduct you

1208
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,880
they look like george clooney or

1209
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,119
whatever um

1210
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,599
i'm i might not do george clooney myself

1211
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,760
but um the point is

1212
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,119
that um

1213
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,560
that maybe evel knievel that would be

1214
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,040
great to see him i miss him um

1215
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,680
but uh so

1216
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,680
that is its own weirdness and that is

1217
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,000
its own clue so you have to put that up

1218
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,079
on the board you know

1219
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,400
and it's and it's not always neat

1220
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,400
but there's something there's something

1221
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:41,680
there that they're able to do that and

1222
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,240
so when people are transferred through

1223
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,319
walls and windows that means they're

1224
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,839
changing the composition the physical

1225
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:49,040
composition

1226
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,800
of these people

1227
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,440
and and doing this and the crafts the

1228
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,880
way that they're you know moving and

1229
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,160
stuff and you can almost see through

1230
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,560
them these are all little clues

1231
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,200
so not to skip ahead to the to the punch

1232
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,680
line or the finish line but lastly

1233
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,599
the thing that's interesting is

1234
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,800
um

1235
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,359
when it's time for us to discover these

1236
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,599
things and understand it

1237
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,359
you know we have an agreement with with

1238
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,079
them or with their reality

1239
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,079
and they have to agree they have to come

1240
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,000
halfway on on the bridge and say all

1241
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:21,599
right we'll meet you halfway

1242
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,560
here's what we are and this is what we

1243
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,839
can do etc and so there's a reason why

1244
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:29,040
you know we don't have those nuts and

1245
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,319
bolts pictures right now maybe the

1246
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,760
military does but i think there's a

1247
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,599
reason why we don't have the proof that

1248
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,119
everyone you know from neil degrasse

1249
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,480
tyson to

1250
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,800
even seth sostak goes

1251
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,720
all right this is it

1252
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,800
so my question is

1253
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,480
how come we don't

1254
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:46,480
have that

1255
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,800
and is it a bad thing that we don't

1256
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,520
and what what would the smoking gun look

1257
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,240
like exactly you know that's

1258
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:01,680
because

1259
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,640
whatever we think we've have for data

1260
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:07,200
right now isn't enough to convince

1261
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,880
um the a large enough body of people

1262
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,200
and what would it take to convince a

1263
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,760
large enough body of people that

1264
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,680
you know we're not alone but i don't

1265
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:18,800
know

1266
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,440
what we're seeing and i'm just throwing

1267
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,680
this out there because i don't know but

1268
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,599
let's just say they're extraterrestrial

1269
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,440
that's what we're seeing you know that

1270
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,160
that's one of the the biggest theories i

1271
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,960
think uh our biggest possibilities to

1272
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,560
some of at least some of these things

1273
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,319
that show up

1274
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,839
um

1275
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,200
what would be

1276
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,040
you know a structured craft on the

1277
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,599
ground with beings that would be able to

1278
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,720
be explored you know by scientists is

1279
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,720
that what it would be it's hard it's

1280
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,560
hard one could argue that's already been

1281
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,000
done because scientists have had their

1282
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,760
own experiences right

1283
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,839
um you know and and if you want someone

1284
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,680
credible you've got you know

1285
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,280
lonnie zamora

1286
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,960
um you've got commander fravor so these

1287
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:04,400
people have seen these things you know

1288
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,599
they haven't gone up and kicked the

1289
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,319
tires jim peniston did

1290
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,640
yeah you know reynoldshim he went and

1291
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,480
did it so it's like if someone were to

1292
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,640
say to me before rental shim i want some

1293
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,839
in the military who's gone up and

1294
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,960
touched one of these things and had

1295
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,599
their own experience show me that and

1296
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,800
then you know give give me some

1297
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:23,119
incredible you know then i'll i'll go

1298
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,160
there

1299
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,920
well that happened

1300
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,880
so

1301
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,040
every time we move then you know move

1302
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,880
the ball down the field it seems like

1303
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,640
the goal post gets

1304
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,720
gets you know slid further and further

1305
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,680
back

1306
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,079
so all we can do is look at what we do

1307
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:40,079
have now and say okay so what is the

1308
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,839
next step and the next step is

1309
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,119
okay there's two

1310
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,040
in my head i carry these two things one

1311
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,640
is you have to have your own personal

1312
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,680
experience

1313
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,280
once you've done that

1314
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:52,720
then

1315
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,920
reality

1316
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:59,440
and and even then there's going to be

1317
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,800
some questions that will come and linger

1318
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,800
in waves right but at least you can go

1319
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,480
will this happen and you need to have a

1320
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,640
witness i think that's imperative and

1321
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,480
the second thing is

1322
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,720
um what would it be you know personally

1323
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,240
for me because it's going to be personal

1324
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,520
to everyone

1325
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,440
and so experiencers

1326
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,119
their evidence to me

1327
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,839
that that is just as as profound as any

1328
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,040
religious

1329
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,920
you know claims i've seen angels or god

1330
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:25,280
jesus etc

1331
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,319
is um

1332
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:27,839
that these people suffer from you know

1333
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:30,800
experiences suffer from ptsd

1334
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:34,000
you can't fake ptsd that i'm aware of

1335
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:35,200
and so

1336
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,079
um

1337
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,560
you know if if that's the case

1338
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,839
then these people

1339
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,520
are suffering and

1340
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,960
again i'm going to hit this note kind of

1341
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,680
hard and in my dock i do touch on this

1342
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,520
you know making fun of people are not

1343
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,880
believing someone who who has

1344
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,440
symptoms of of you know of what they've

1345
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,920
had and whether it's good or bad there

1346
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,319
always is trauma attached to it it's

1347
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,920
like saying to someone oh you were

1348
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,200
accosted

1349
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,200
and you were molested

1350
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:05,440
really was the van white or was it

1351
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,240
silver or was it black you know was it

1352
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,960
you know was it rope or was it you know

1353
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,640
it's making fun

1354
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,400
of that and you would never do that to

1355
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,920
someone in that situation so why would

1356
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,920
you do that with someone who has you

1357
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,599
know claims of this

1358
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,839
um whether you believe it or not they

1359
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,400
believe it is what's important so you

1360
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,920
have to hold on one hand it's a personal

1361
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,480
thing the second is let's walk through

1362
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,960
the scenario of what it would be like

1363
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,480
in our

1364
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,720
best case scenario best case scenario is

1365
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,160
maybe they don't land on the white hot

1366
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,559
house they land

1367
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:40,160
at a fair

1368
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,359
or something where people aren't

1369
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:42,800
prepared and they don't have weapons

1370
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,319
nearby um though if it's in texas that

1371
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,559
might not be the case but

1372
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,640
say a fair you know somewhere in maybe

1373
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:52,400
seattle would just say

1374
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,200
um

1375
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,720
they would land there a bunch of people

1376
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,000
everyone's got their cell phones and

1377
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,920
stuff and if they're not doing this if

1378
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,160
they look up and see this they videotape

1379
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,240
this they have it there's encounters all

1380
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:04,160
that stuff uh

1381
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,920
i think that would be from different

1382
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,880
angles because it's all about

1383
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,880
triangulating you know which is what

1384
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,960
mark d'antonio is working on with his

1385
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,280
thing with doug trumbull and and a few

1386
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,640
others have the same type of program

1387
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,079
where they're looking at you know

1388
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,680
getting all these different angles so we

1389
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,119
would have that

1390
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,480
and and then we have this okay so this

1391
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,599
is gold

1392
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,680
so we have we take it back and we put it

1393
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,599
online and everyone sees it and it gets

1394
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:29,680
millions of hits and everyone's like wow

1395
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,960
this is it and then the debunkers you

1396
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,440
know come in and

1397
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,440
then it comes in its news

1398
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:39,440
and then it goes and did it change

1399
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,559
anything

1400
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,000
they came they did this well the

1401
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,559
military when they came out 2017 the

1402
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:46,480
navy and said

1403
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,440
yes

1404
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,960
these things have been occurring this is

1405
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:51,040
it it's already been legitimized

1406
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:52,000
so

1407
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,440
it's now just seeing the occupants

1408
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,680
whoever is flying these these things so

1409
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,119
now they're not unmanned drones now

1410
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:58,880
there's something now you see that

1411
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,760
so again what is the ultimate end game i

1412
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:04,000
and i always ask ufo researchers this

1413
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,200
and fans

1414
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,400
of um

1415
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,119
this this field this unique field i go

1416
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,119
what is the ultimate goal guys what is

1417
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,359
what do we want

1418
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,960
and if it's

1419
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,640
that we want to have confirmation that

1420
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,280
there's life elsewhere

1421
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,359
well i think the odds are that we know

1422
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,880
that that's the case

1423
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,720
do we want confirmation that they're

1424
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,720
humanoids

1425
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,440
well that's uncertain which is why i

1426
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,119
kind of lean a little bit or equally

1427
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,440
into michael masters

1428
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,520
who says they could be from the future

1429
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,359
because you know if this hybrid program

1430
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,520
as an example if that's real

1431
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,680
they're not going to be able to

1432
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,200
uh

1433
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,760
breed with another species i mean they

1434
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,680
might have technology but it would be

1435
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,119
much easier let's say if they're from

1436
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,359
the future and the way that that mike

1437
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,000
has mapped out michael has mapped out

1438
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,440
where we've come and where we're going

1439
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,680
we're ending up looking like that i mean

1440
00:50:01,190 --> 00:50:00,000
it sounds like that's pretty irrefutable

1441
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,200
at this point

1442
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,240
um so if they're coming back in time

1443
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,079
and they're agreeing with us because

1444
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,839
there's too much you know inbreding

1445
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,680
going on and i guess they've got banjos

1446
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,280
in the future i don't know

1447
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,559
um

1448
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,720
then you'll get that reference but maybe

1449
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,960
a few yeah that's okay it's just for the

1450
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,480
few um

1451
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,119
so i i think that that's um

1452
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,119
you know something that

1453
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:25,280
again it's it's uh

1454
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,559
you know the humanoid thing that's

1455
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,240
i think life has already been visiting

1456
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:31,839
us in so many different forms we haven't

1457
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,559
a clue we have not a clue there's no way

1458
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:36,240
they're not

1459
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,760
look like us and and you know i was

1460
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:40,800
interviewing

1461
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,920
uh michael for my doc and i said um

1462
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,359
masters and i said

1463
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:47,599
how come no one talks about reptilian

1464
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,720
hybrids little reptilian children

1465
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,280
are mantis

1466
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:55,440
so maybe there's something to what he's

1467
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,319
saying

1468
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,160
which is that you know they look like us

1469
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,079
or the humanoids they're humanoids

1470
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,839
because maybe they you know

1471
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:03,200
you know are us and what does that mean

1472
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,160
because at some point we're going to

1473
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:06,240
figure out time travel and that whole

1474
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,839
thing where you can only go back to the

1475
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,000
moment you created it

1476
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:11,760
we don't we don't know what we don't

1477
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,640
know

1478
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,000
and that's the biggest thing that i like

1479
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,680
to throw out to every single scientist

1480
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:17,280
that loves to throw down and says look

1481
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,880
here are the laws and blah blah blah i'm

1482
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,079
like

1483
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,200
every law that i know has been broken so

1484
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,800
well i i recently was uh in arizona

1485
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,319
uh speaking with

1486
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:30,000
mark d'antoni we had

1487
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,359
several nights where we were hanging out

1488
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,680
together and we talked a lot he's got a

1489
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,800
real interesting theory about extinction

1490
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,480
events and

1491
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,400
you know how things may have been so

1492
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,160
much different and one of them is the

1493
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,800
dinosaurs because you know dinosaurs

1494
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,720
some of them were around like 300

1495
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:48,160
million years

1496
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,359
and

1497
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,760
one of them in particular the brain they

1498
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:54,079
could see the brain was uh getting

1499
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,680
larger and so if that extinction event

1500
00:52:02,790 --> 00:51:59,839
did not happen where they were wiped out

1501
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:02,800
you know would we be having reptilians

1502
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,599
you know that were intelligent and and

1503
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,920
learned how to you know build things and

1504
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,200
and

1505
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,000
you know do things in the future i mean

1506
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,760
it's pretty pretty fascinating and

1507
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,119
that's when the mammals you know the

1508
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,960
mammals took over

1509
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,960
after that extinction event but if that

1510
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:20,720
hadn't happened we'd certainly be very

1511
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:23,680
different than we are today

1512
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:26,640
right but then the big question is why

1513
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:29,599
did that extinction event happen

1514
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,030
you why was the third time

1515
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,760
yeah why was it there for so long you

1516
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,079
know and yeah yeah yeah

1517
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,000
we have uh we're going into a break here

1518
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:44,319
in like two minutes just to let you know

1519
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:48,000
and uh actually the the clip i'm gonna

1520
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,280
talk about is

1521
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,000
of a girl named denise she was at the

1522
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,160
boot camp out in arizona

1523
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,359
and i am down to just a couple of uh

1524
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,480
clips every week i'd like to run a clip

1525
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:03,359
that is a ufo sighting so i just saw

1526
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,240
someone

1527
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,000
david in chat just a little while ago

1528
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,040
said he had a very unique ufo sighting i

1529
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,800
am recording with these people this one

1530
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,000
in particular

1531
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,319
was at the uh boot camp so it's a little

1532
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,359
bit loud for background noise but uh for

1533
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:20,160
those of you who have had a unique ufo

1534
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,680
sighting i'd like to talk to you see if

1535
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:23,839
it would be uh something we could make a

1536
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:26,640
clip with and have these uh because i'm

1537
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:27,920
getting a lot of people saying they're

1538
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,319
really enjoying these ufo incidents you

1539
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,119
know on the clips uh in between the show

1540
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,359
so we can i think we can roll right into

1541
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,119
that hopefully bill

1542
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:38,880
will be ready over there and when we

1543
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,480
come back i'd like to talk about more of

1544
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,800
where you think the ufo community is

1545
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,680
headed

1546
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,839
and uh with the information we have you

1547
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,319
know from the government uh what how

1548
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:52,720
they're taking this more seriously the

1549
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:55,599
path forward etc etc will we'll make it

1550
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:59,200
up as we go uh like we usually do dean

1551
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:00,559
all right

1552
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:05,680
at kg r a radio we'll be right back it's

1553
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,319
about a five minute break and here is

1554
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:10,400
denise she had a

1555
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:14,160
cigar-shaped ufo sighting back in 1973.

1556
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,470
so denise has been nice meeting you here

1557
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,960
um at the boot camp the mufon boot camp

1558
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:26,800
but i want to hear about your ufo

1559
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,160
sighting you had in 1973 in 1973 yes i

1560
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,800
was 14 years old and this occurred in

1561
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,319
upstate new york

1562
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,520
um

1563
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,920
in a town called greece

1564
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,839
uh and it occurred at the end of the

1565
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,720
summer

1566
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,720
towards uh the beginning of the school

1567
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,400
year probably the end of august

1568
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:48,799
beginning of september and i was riding

1569
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,520
my bicycle with my girlfriend from my

1570
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,400
house to her house and it was twilight

1571
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:56,559
or approaching twilight

1572
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,240
and as we came up to a path that cut

1573
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:02,640
through the back of the high school and

1574
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:06,400
through the like the football field i

1575
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,400
felt compelled to look to my right

1576
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,119
and to my right there were a

1577
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:14,880
bank of trees

1578
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,480
and i saw a very large craft rise from

1579
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,960
behind the trees and almost right about

1580
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,559
tree top level

1581
00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:24,960
it was quiet

1582
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,440
there was like no

1583
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,440
perturbation of the of the air or

1584
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,240
anything it was just like silent and it

1585
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,720
came over the trees and started moving

1586
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,160
in our direction

1587
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,400
and she and i

1588
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,480
got off our bikes and leaned them up

1589
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,319
against the

1590
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:43,839
bleachers

1591
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:46,640
and the craft came towards us

1592
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,680
and very very close i can't tell you how

1593
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,680
many feet but it was just a little bit

1594
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:53,599
above the bleachers

1595
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,640
um

1596
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,000
and

1597
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,920
i can describe the craft to you yeah i'd

1598
00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,920
love to hear it if there were some

1599
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,720
symbols on the bottom of it the um the

1600
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,119
central part of the body was like cigar

1601
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,920
shaped and there were three

1602
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,400
appendages coming out from one side and

1603
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,720
from the other and they ran parallel to

1604
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,400
each other and there were lights at the

1605
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,599
end of each of those appendages wow um

1606
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:20,400
the craft was very large as large as the

1607
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,000
football field if maybe not even bigger

1608
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,599
and so there were these symbols on the

1609
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,559
bottom

1610
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,040
that looked like they um

1611
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,559
they rep they

1612
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,680
kind of

1613
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,319
looked like hieroglyphics or maybe

1614
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,680
russian

1615
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,119
letters

1616
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,000
um but i was 14 so my interpretation of

1617
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:42,000
what i was seeing was limited based on

1618
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,280
that because i don't really have any

1619
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,960
true recollection of what they look like

1620
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,880
now i just remember what my impression

1621
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,000
was then

1622
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,359
um so the next thing i know

1623
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,079
she and i um

1624
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:55,680
we're standing there and next thing i

1625
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,839
know it's

1626
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,599
dark uh not too much later it could have

1627
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:01,200
been too much later because we both had

1628
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,799
a curfew

1629
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,200
okay let me ask this did you

1630
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,160
did you remember seeing it leave and

1631
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:10,319
then or or was it just all of a sudden

1632
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,160
it was dark well we

1633
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:16,079
it was dark and the craft was still

1634
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:17,200
there

1635
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,000
it

1636
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,200
and from our vantage point

1637
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:27,920
we could see these these went

1638
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,960
look like windows um square shaped and

1639
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:32,960
there was like an amber glow to them

1640
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:36,400
coming from the inside and i could see

1641
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,950
did it did they look

1642
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,280
humanoid in a way would you say or

1643
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,200
larger heads i mean i don't want to lead

1644
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,359
you by saying the larger heads things

1645
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,240
but did they look like normal-sized

1646
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:53,839
heads than

1647
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,480
it's very hard for me to tell yeah you

1648
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,000
know at this point it was a long time

1649
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,599
ago right i can just tell you what my

1650
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,160
impressions were at the moment yeah and

1651
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,160
there were no details it was just a

1652
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,720
black silhouette and there was movement

1653
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:08,960
you could tell that they were moving

1654
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,400
and then um yeah and the ship

1655
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,160
silently

1656
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:16,160
just drifted

1657
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,400
towards our left i don't know what

1658
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,079
direction that was

1659
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,160
and she and i got on our bikes and we

1660
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,559
rode to her house and when we got to her

1661
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,680
neighborhood

1662
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,359
uh there were a lot of people standing

1663
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,680
on their driveways looking at the lights

1664
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:32,400
and talking about it um

1665
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,920
she and i never spoke of it again really

1666
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,480
and i've heard that so many times i ran

1667
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,720
into her about i don't know a few years

1668
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,200
ago at the gym and asked her about it

1669
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:45,920
and she refused to discuss that did she

1670
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,400
seem scared

1671
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,319
the shades went down she was like i

1672
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,319
don't want to talk about that wow all

1673
00:59:15,190 --> 00:58:54,000
right thank you so much that was very

1674
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,349
stand by martin

1675
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:19,760
coming back in three

1676
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:22,160
two one go

1677
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,359
all right

1678
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,000
welcome back everyone my guest uh looks

1679
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,240
like he's away from his desk i don't

1680
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:30,079
know if he had his time run but we have

1681
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:31,839
dean alioto

1682
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:34,960
i'm looking at an empty chair

1683
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,319
he shall be back but again i am looking

1684
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,559
here he is i am looking for

1685
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,480
uh people

1686
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,040
that had a ufo sighting like denise and

1687
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:48,000
would like to talk about it and also i

1688
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:49,839
had a woman named

1689
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,520
deb on

1690
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,520
i don't know maybe a month a month and a

1691
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,040
half ago that talked about her

1692
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:57,599
schoolyard sighting at some point i'm

1693
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:00,400
gonna release her original video and

1694
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,760
i'll let people know

1695
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,160
when i do that i had her on as a guest

1696
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,240
kind of at the last minute but i do have

1697
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:07,920
an original video the first time she

1698
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:10,640
told the story uh very interesting story

1699
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,280
and welcome back team

1700
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,079
sorry i had to call denise and and uh

1701
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,480
open up my documentary and put in this

1702
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,400
new interview this is how it happens

1703
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,240
every time i think i'm done they pull

1704
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,400
you back

1705
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,079
yeah that was that was

1706
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:28,240
a strange encounter and i don't know if

1707
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:29,839
you caught this but she said on the

1708
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,319
three appendages on each side they had

1709
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,160
lights at the end of them here we are

1710
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,359
lights again

1711
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,200
back with lights it's interesting

1712
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,960
because you were asking her

1713
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,079
um

1714
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,000
and that would be very hard to hold up

1715
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,680
in a court because you were leading the

1716
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,839
witness sir um

1717
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,319
she was reticent to say what it is and

1718
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,240
usually when people really want to you

1719
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,480
know come out and and grandstand about

1720
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,559
something and and make more of something

1721
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:56,400
that maybe

1722
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,200
is

1723
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,960
you know what it was or or even if it

1724
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,960
existed they don't do that

1725
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,599
she was you know very uh shy about doing

1726
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,680
that i always look you know towards that

1727
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,520
if it's someone who's you know freely

1728
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:09,680
throwing down and gets into and can be

1729
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,400
led

1730
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,400
she was not she just told you these are

1731
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:14,240
the facts this is what i remember

1732
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,160
and um yeah you know again

1733
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,160
it's it's you know it's this personal

1734
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,480
thing that she's held on to

1735
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,200
right and you know it's it's

1736
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:27,599
it it is uh you know she was a person

1737
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,480
that

1738
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:30,640
i sort of had to talk into telling her

1739
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,520
story she had told her

1740
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:35,599
story to to my friend don that was out

1741
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:38,480
there with me and uh

1742
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,440
she was reluctant to talk about it so

1743
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,599
you know she told she had told donna but

1744
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,079
uh had not told me at that point i mean

1745
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,240
she would not she was not real excited

1746
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,640
about telling the story and again that's

1747
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,520
another thing you know i mean

1748
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,200
that makes you wonder

1749
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,359
about you know there's so many of these

1750
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:59,280
these stories i don't know if this has

1751
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,960
happened to you but

1752
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,960
when you're out and about and you may

1753
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,400
have a conversation with someone in

1754
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,799
public does it ever come up do you say

1755
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,520
well i'm actually doing a film uh a

1756
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,000
series on ufos do you ever say that in

1757
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,760
public and then people will say to you

1758
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:15,119
oh well you should hear what happened to

1759
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,400
my uncle or

1760
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,760
something like that does that happen to

1761
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:18,960
you

1762
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,520
all the time i'll say um can i have my

1763
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:23,680
bacon on the side have you ever seen ufo

1764
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:27,599
no okay just a check just to check um

1765
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,480
i'm

1766
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:30,480
you know if it seems like it's it it

1767
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,520
makes sense i shot at this location um a

1768
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:35,680
couple weeks ago and this guy that i was

1769
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,200
filming at had a ufo coffee table book

1770
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,200
and i said oh you're in the ufo son he

1771
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,839
goes yeah why and he looked at me like

1772
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,839
you know what do you know about ufos you

1773
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:46,880
know it's kind of like well i know the

1774
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,839
secret handshake you ready for this um

1775
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:51,440
and so um

1776
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:54,559
he was telling me about his um

1777
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,240
you know what what he had known he

1778
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,319
shared the story with me um that i'm

1779
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,200
hoping to get more information on um

1780
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,880
but uh

1781
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,799
it's you know

1782
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:06,480
they're out there and it doesn't take

1783
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,359
you know

1784
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,280
much i mean if you look at the the odds

1785
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,960
of you know what the gallup polls were

1786
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,160
and everything of how many people have

1787
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,839
seen things you know it's a lot you're

1788
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,839
on a plane imagine you get on a plane

1789
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,119
and there's a certain percentage of

1790
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:19,119
people that have seen something that's

1791
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:20,319
nuts

1792
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:25,440
like this weird taboo thing like you

1793
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:28,400
know you can't talk about uh

1794
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,280
you know

1795
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,960
um

1796
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:33,039
you know you can't talk about uh

1797
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,640
uh

1798
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,319
i'm just gonna say sex like you can't

1799
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,839
openly talk about it but you know there

1800
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:39,599
are people that are doing that and so

1801
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:40,400
you know

1802
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:41,440
it's like

1803
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,799
it's it's something that's a part of it

1804
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,400
it's almost like a part of society where

1805
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,720
it's like this is an aspect

1806
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:49,200
of of of experience that comes with

1807
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,640
being a human

1808
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,799
and this isn't the only generation that

1809
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,480
has experienced that

1810
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,079
so again you know when are we going to

1811
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:57,839
get to a place where we stop doing that

1812
01:04:01,829 --> 01:04:00,480
you know i it's it's you know and i'm

1813
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,839
not gonna get into the whole thing about

1814
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,280
the government

1815
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:05,440
saying you know let's um

1816
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,039
discredit these people let's you know

1817
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,640
ridicule them to the point that no one

1818
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,400
wants to come out because we were

1819
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,720
getting too many calls and we're tying

1820
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:14,799
up the government's lines during that

1821
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:17,200
that point not that that isn't true but

1822
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,280
certainly that was you know 70 years ago

1823
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:21,920
it's a different you know case now and

1824
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,200
so yeah the 1953

1825
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,079
robertson panel was basically just that

1826
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,920
for those of you that are new you can

1827
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:31,599
google that and check that out

1828
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:33,039
but um

1829
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:35,119
yeah it's it's

1830
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:36,880
and you know i don't know if you ever

1831
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:39,200
caught this clip with

1832
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,480
it's uh

1833
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,880
it was about john mack when

1834
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:44,559
he was having all that trouble with

1835
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,599
harvard

1836
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,000
and i think it was uh

1837
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:49,680
it was some known figure i can't think

1838
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,039
of who was a uh a law professor there at

1839
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:55,119
harvard that says sure well we kind of

1840
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,720
talked about you know about angels and

1841
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,119
you know that's okay to

1842
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:03,599
to believe in angels

1843
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:05,680
but you certainly can't believe about

1844
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,960
aliens you know yeah so which i think is

1845
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,480
a good yeah

1846
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:12,240
and there's more evidence

1847
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:13,440
to support

1848
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:16,880
aliens than there are angels

1849
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,520
you know how many times has angels left

1850
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:21,839
i guess stigmatas you could say that but

1851
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:23,599
have left marks little scoop marks and

1852
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,960
stuff um

1853
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,160
you know

1854
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,240
not many that i'm aware of

1855
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,799
yeah you know and then what is an angel

1856
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:33,119
i mean as dinah pasulka has you know

1857
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:35,119
done in her research uh

1858
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:36,720
was it um

1859
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:38,559
uh um

1860
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:41,839
sister um avalon

1861
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,880
mary saint mary of avalon who said that

1862
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,559
she had this experience she thinks is an

1863
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:48,400
angel doesn't look like one

1864
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:51,920
and ended up probing her with this wand

1865
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,640
what what angel's probe

1866
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,240
hmm that's

1867
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:57,920
well maybe they're out there

1868
01:06:00,950 --> 01:06:00,160
rogue aliens

1869
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,960
yeah

1870
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:02,640
well we can do a survey on that if you'd

1871
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,319
like

1872
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:06,880
sure what angel's probe but anyway yeah

1873
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:08,960
no that's that's interesting because you

1874
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:11,680
know i mean you you go back throughout

1875
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,400
time and the the lore there was always

1876
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:16,319
something you know and is it all

1877
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:17,680
fictional you know whether it's the

1878
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,039
elves or leprechauns leprechauns or you

1879
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:23,599
know uh but you know

1880
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,119
who knows what it is exactly that people

1881
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,920
claim to have seen all the way

1882
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:31,839
you know all the way back then and then

1883
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:34,079
there's the bigfoot aspect there's all

1884
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,760
ghosts there's all you know i i don't

1885
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:40,079
really want to lump ufos in

1886
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:44,000
to what i consider the paranormal realm

1887
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,200
um because there's so much

1888
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,200
you know evidence out there that these

1889
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,680
things are happening the the question i

1890
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:53,520
remember sam moronto used to get really

1891
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,480
upset

1892
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,119
when he was asked oh so you you believe

1893
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,119
in ufos he said there's nothing to

1894
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,960
believe in they're here

1895
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:02,559
the uh

1896
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:03,680
the

1897
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:08,000
so yeah

1898
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:10,000
um i'm

1899
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,720
again it it it's kind of like a

1900
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,319
again you're tugging at the thread of

1901
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,079
where our beliefs are at this time and

1902
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,920
and you know and you test the metal of

1903
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,319
them as much as i don't want to conflate

1904
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,839
uh bigfoot

1905
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,440
and with all this stuff

1906
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,200
and and just want to believe that it's

1907
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:29,039
probably just a bear on its hind legs

1908
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,520
which they do that all the time

1909
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,079
there's too much weirdness around that

1910
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:36,319
um my rabbit hall

1911
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:40,000
that i'm working in is the ufo alien one

1912
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,359
which includes

1913
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,760
the bermuda triangle and everything else

1914
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:45,760
but where i'm looking down i'm focusing

1915
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:48,400
on that i haven't broadened it into that

1916
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,839
yet so

1917
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:51,200
you know i think there's an argument

1918
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,079
that if you're going to get into

1919
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,480
paranormal you have to throw in

1920
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:56,160
you know something that appears and

1921
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,880
disappears in your room at will i think

1922
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,640
that kind of falls

1923
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,640
under what is normal and again it

1924
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:04,160
depends what your definition of normal

1925
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:05,599
is if your definition is oh that's

1926
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,000
normal you know seeing spirits

1927
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,480
you know and that's normal i mean geez

1928
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:11,599
if you go to louisiana and you want to

1929
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,799
sell your home

1930
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:14,240
you better have a spirit a history of

1931
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:15,599
spirits in there

1932
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,560
because

1933
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,719
that that helps increase the value from

1934
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:20,239
what i hear from

1935
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,279
everybody

1936
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,520
yeah yeah they love that stuff

1937
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,640
so

1938
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,880
um but can you imagine saying that oh

1939
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,239
yeah we've been abducted several times

1940
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:30,239
in this house that back room there yeah

1941
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:31,839
i used to come get my kids go right

1942
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,799
through that

1943
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:34,480
you know oh that's great okay here's

1944
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,400
another hundred thousand uh it doesn't

1945
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,640
work that way with with that ghosts are

1946
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,640
more acceptable there seem to be more

1947
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:41,759
divine

1948
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,880
than you know ones that come in and

1949
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,120
and you know do their thing

1950
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:49,440
turn off your spouse and everything

1951
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,640
i have a

1952
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,000
a friend that does real estate and i was

1953
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:56,400
doing an auction at a home took all the

1954
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,920
antiques out of it and the family came

1955
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,159
in from out of town and they were

1956
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,400
looking for a real estate agent so

1957
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:04,080
i hooked them up with my friend he sold

1958
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:05,279
their property

1959
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,040
he called me i don't know maybe six

1960
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:09,199
months later and he said

1961
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,400
did you know that house was haunted

1962
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:14,719
and i said no

1963
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,239
uh what happened and the i was dealing

1964
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,080
with the woman they built it on the

1965
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:23,440
gravestones yeah she was in her 90s

1966
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,759
wonderful woman and there was some

1967
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:27,359
friction in the family and she wanted

1968
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,000
her family to have all the pieces

1969
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,759
to save that were family pieces for

1970
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,839
generations and they came in and they

1971
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:35,440
told me sell everything i said well you

1972
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,120
know your you know your grandmother

1973
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,880
really wanted these to stay in the

1974
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:40,719
family they said sell it all i don't

1975
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,759
know

1976
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,279
i'm not i'm not going to say that's the

1977
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,440
reason that things were happening but

1978
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:47,600
the people that bought the house said

1979
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,440
all the furniture kept rearranging in

1980
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,279
the attic they could hear it scraping on

1981
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,279
the floor and they'd run up and it would

1982
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,280
be in different places

1983
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,600
so but in the state of i know we're way

1984
01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:00,000
off the track of ufos but in the state

1985
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:00,840
of new

1986
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,560
hampshire if the real estate agent knows

1987
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,480
something ahead of time

1988
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,320
that there's things going on in the

1989
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:10,400
house he's supposed to put it in the

1990
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,199
contract closure disclosure yes that's

1991
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,199
called disclosure is that interesting

1992
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:17,199
yeah

1993
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:21,520
other states but that's that's pretty

1994
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,400
strange about the spirit in uh

1995
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:27,360
louisiana wherever you said interesting

1996
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,840
but uh

1997
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:31,360
so you were at the

1998
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:35,360
conference i want to say was it 2018.

1999
01:10:41,550 --> 01:10:36,159
so

2000
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:41,560
post uh the

2001
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:45,520
2017 article that came out december

2002
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,480
16th yeah i got there in march the end

2003
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,760
of march

2004
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,360
of that following year so literally

2005
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,040
within months of that announcement

2006
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,640
coming up i had planned to come out

2007
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:56,159
before that happened

2008
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:57,360
and so it was still you know the

2009
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,880
scuttlebutt when i came and did your

2010
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,239
podcast

2011
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,400
um she's we had stan friedman sitting

2012
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,719
directly across from me and then we had

2013
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:06,000
um

2014
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:07,040
uh

2015
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:11,679
talked about the whole group we did the

2016
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:14,560
round robin yeah yeah yeah the ron robin

2017
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:16,000
and so we were all you know talking

2018
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,440
about that and

2019
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:19,679
um and i think to the stars academy had

2020
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,679
just been kind of announced i think that

2021
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:23,440
was the big the other big news uh thing

2022
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:24,960
that was going down

2023
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,679
so you actually came into back i should

2024
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,280
say back into this

2025
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,280
to look at it seriously

2026
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:33,600
on a different level than we've seen for

2027
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,640
years

2028
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,920
um

2029
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:37,920
you know because it was just

2030
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,400
taboo more or less and so my question to

2031
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:44,800
you have you seen it change

2032
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,280
since you started digging back into this

2033
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,280
have you seen a change in the state of

2034
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:52,080
ufology overall

2035
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:53,920
uh yeah i mean it's something that's

2036
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,000
always going to be changing with any

2037
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,480
field right and even if it's you know

2038
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:01,199
hunting meteors meteorites um

2039
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,560
for me it was something that i'd been

2040
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,880
kind of

2041
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,920
you know

2042
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,360
adjacent

2043
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:10,000
to the phenomena i would dip in and dip

2044
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:11,600
out you know i'd always listen to uh

2045
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:14,000
coast to coast and arc bell and stuff

2046
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,199
like that and

2047
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,360
uh george knapp um

2048
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:19,600
etc and uh

2049
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:22,960
and so i kind of got to a place where

2050
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:25,840
because i had made this this movie

2051
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:29,040
which i didn't think was very good

2052
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:30,080
um

2053
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,760
in fact i remember going to the screen

2054
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:33,280
that we had the two screens especially

2055
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,800
the one that was at fantastic fest and

2056
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,480
it was a sold out

2057
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,800
um audience and i said to my girlfriend

2058
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:40,560
ali i said get us

2059
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,280
get us in a seat on the aisle because

2060
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:45,040
this could go bad because i hadn't seen

2061
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,960
it in so many years

2062
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:49,040
and then i i watched it and realized

2063
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,800
that it wasn't um

2064
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:52,800
just kind of fun and and and paced

2065
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:55,120
somewhat well it was also a time stamp

2066
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:56,960
of the 80s

2067
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,280
and so this whole new audience was all

2068
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:01,520
over it because it was this analog vibe

2069
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,520
you know shot on videotape

2070
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:05,280
and um

2071
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:09,280
not digital and so um it ended up

2072
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,400
you know

2073
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,560
having this uh

2074
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:14,400
kind of this time capsule

2075
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:15,520
type thing

2076
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:18,080
that um you know seemed to age well i'm

2077
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,840
not sure that any of my other projects

2078
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,800
uh

2079
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,040
did but i've worked in all different

2080
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,040
genres and the one genre that i kept

2081
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,800
coming back to again and again even with

2082
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,880
the remake that i did for upn

2083
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,000
was um

2084
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,640
aliens and ufos and then

2085
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:34,159
when i went

2086
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,600
or just before when i started to you

2087
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:37,679
know put together my uh my lecture that

2088
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,920
i'd be giving at international ufo

2089
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,280
congress

2090
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,440
i realized that a third of my ip was all

2091
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:45,840
ufo alien related and realize that it's

2092
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,840
kind of always been there and i'd read

2093
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:49,040
the books and they would come out i

2094
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:50,480
think i went through a period where the

2095
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:53,920
last book i had read was john max

2096
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,520
abduction or passport maybe it was

2097
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,360
maybe that was the last one or maybe it

2098
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:01,120
was one of um

2099
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,719
david jacobs but i remember that was it

2100
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,320
where i kind of hit the wall and went

2101
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:06,000
okay i need to take a little break and

2102
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:07,600
so it's been kind of a bit of this and

2103
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:08,719
that

2104
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,840
and

2105
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:12,159
from 2017 on

2106
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:13,280
i've

2107
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,679
whole new generation coming up

2108
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:21,920
and i keep waiting for them to step in

2109
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:23,440
the bear trap

2110
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,040
you know where they're gonna believe

2111
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:26,960
everything and say oh this and that but

2112
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,600
they're not um i have a section in my

2113
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:31,280
documentary where we look at the new the

2114
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:33,679
new you know ufo researchers

2115
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:35,600
and these were some of the most grounded

2116
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:36,480
people

2117
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,640
you know they're coming at this with

2118
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:40,239
with um an attitude that's kind of

2119
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,239
similar with what i was saying earlier

2120
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,120
which is you know show me the money

2121
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,360
you know prove prove your uh

2122
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,120
your um

2123
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:51,120
your commitment to me

2124
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:53,199
that you know you're the truth uh prove

2125
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,400
to me the commitment to the truth and

2126
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,080
then i can go there then we have

2127
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,239
something to to sit and talk about and

2128
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:59,920
so that was really refreshing so i'm

2129
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:02,000
very very encouraged with that whereas

2130
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,159
before it was just kind of like i think

2131
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:06,320
everything just got lumped in and now

2132
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:08,640
people are doing more a la carte i would

2133
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:09,679
say that's the biggest thing that i

2134
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,679
notice where it's like i like this this

2135
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,679
resonates with me and this doesn't

2136
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:14,880
um

2137
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,120
so that's you know

2138
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,199
first and foremost the thing that i'm

2139
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,120
that i'm encouraged by

2140
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:23,360
um what i'm not encouraged by

2141
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,719
is um

2142
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,120
anyone saying they have all the answers

2143
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:28,880
uh they don't

2144
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,120
uh and you know be wary

2145
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,360
of the person who does

2146
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:35,600
that for me is uh yeah

2147
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,080
is you know that's that's a sign that's

2148
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:40,800
a you know a sign that um someone is

2149
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:43,440
coming at this from maybe you know

2150
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,719
more of an ego

2151
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,000
place than

2152
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,480
than a truthful thing because um

2153
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:50,400
you know as a filmmaker i don't know

2154
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,400
everything i've made you know how many

2155
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:54,239
films and stuff and projects i'm still

2156
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:55,760
learning and i always want to be a

2157
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,640
student

2158
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,320
that way i have room to grow otherwise

2159
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,920
there's nothing to learn or you know

2160
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,880
whatever

2161
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,400
but you know these people that came up

2162
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,920
the one thing that's kind of disturbing

2163
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:05,679
is these people who came out

2164
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,840
and they they hijack

2165
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,679
people and their beliefs like the

2166
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,520
benowitz case

2167
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:14,080
and they get you know lauded these

2168
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,360
people that have done i don't understand

2169
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,520
that i know i won't get into it because

2170
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,520
i forgot who it was on your show last

2171
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:21,280
week already threw down

2172
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,280
chris lambright talking about the paul

2173
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:24,719
bennowitz case

2174
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:27,679
and crypt will be on sometime in january

2175
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:29,840
okay oh and speaking of that i should

2176
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:31,280
probably bring this up real quickly

2177
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:34,159
we'll jump right back on that is that uh

2178
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:37,520
i just received up from uh

2179
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,000
from lou alessandro's wife that he has

2180
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:41,760
to do a media blackout he was coming up

2181
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:44,080
in a couple weeks he has to do a media

2182
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:47,199
blackout until march so he'll he said

2183
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:49,600
that uh i'll be this will be one of the

2184
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,040
first podcasts

2185
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:53,679
um or if not the first first podcast

2186
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:55,199
he'll be on

2187
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,840
you know apologetically uh have to have

2188
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:59,199
to bow out for

2189
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:01,199
december 14th so i just want to bring

2190
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,640
that back but but continue on

2191
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:06,960
well i didn't get that email so

2192
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:08,719
um i don't know what that's all about

2193
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:10,880
yeah and i you know know his wife as

2194
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:13,920
well so whatever jennifer very nice yeah

2195
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,000
yeah she's great um so anyway uh yeah so

2196
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:20,000
that's kind of a little bit of a bump

2197
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:22,400
that you know um how people get made

2198
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:24,000
into

2199
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,920
you know again it's extending that 15

2200
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:27,360
minutes of fame

2201
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:29,120
um i've not done another

2202
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:30,880
uh ufo convention since i started my

2203
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,080
documentary

2204
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:34,320
not at one yeah because you weren't i

2205
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:35,840
didn't have anything to say you were

2206
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:38,640
invited to yeah and i begged to be on

2207
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:40,560
just so i could say i'm not going to do

2208
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,280
it

2209
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,120
just so i can make my point

2210
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,280
because i have nothing new to say

2211
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,440
you know which is why you know we talked

2212
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,040
about kind of my history with the found

2213
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,120
footage stuff i'm sorry for those who've

2214
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,960
already seen that um i always want to

2215
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,239
bring something new to the table because

2216
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,320
every time you speak you know have

2217
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,320
something new to say it's an opportunity

2218
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:00,000
and and shed light where it needs to be

2219
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:03,199
shed so yeah anyway um

2220
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:04,080
yeah

2221
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,640
someone contacted me

2222
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:11,280
uh recently and they asked me what are

2223
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:15,120
the best ufo videos to watch and i don't

2224
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:15,920
know

2225
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:18,159
at this point in the correspondence i'm

2226
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:20,560
not sure i mean i i get a lot of email i

2227
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,960
try to answer every single one of them

2228
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:24,159
when i can

2229
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:25,120
and

2230
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,560
uh you know i'm not sure if this

2231
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,320
person's looking for

2232
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:30,000
i want to go on youtube and see a video

2233
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,600
clip of a ufo

2234
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,120
or they want to watch something like the

2235
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,960
phenomenon out of the blue something

2236
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:36,400
like that those are all

2237
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:38,800
really solid videos uh

2238
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,520
that are out there for consumption

2239
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:44,239
um and i don't think right off the top

2240
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:46,400
yeah and i also think that ross cole

2241
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,159
hearts uh cold hearts uh one for

2242
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:52,080
uh channel seven that's up on the

2243
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,600
internet with millions of views that's a

2244
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,880
really good one

2245
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,640
that came out i don't know just what two

2246
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:59,280
months ago something like that

2247
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,239
and he

2248
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,080
last week it was announced that he's

2249
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:04,320
he's coming out with something else

2250
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,440
i don't i don't know if you know

2251
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:06,960
anything about that you wanted to look

2252
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:08,320
into it i don't know if you had a chance

2253
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:09,840
did you

2254
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,560
yeah no i have to reach out to to uh

2255
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:14,400
ross and see what's going but um

2256
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:16,239
supposedly i only know this because one

2257
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,920
of your guests said that or you brought

2258
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,679
it up that that he was getting ready to

2259
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:21,679
throw down on something so i'm curious

2260
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:23,199
what that is yeah it was actually

2261
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:24,719
someone in the chat room

2262
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,520
and

2263
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:27,760
i i think i'm going to open up the phone

2264
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:29,920
lines you know 10 minutes early and

2265
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:31,199
hopefully bill

2266
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,800
will hear that but we're going to open

2267
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:35,280
the phone lines now so if anyone would

2268
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:36,640
like to call in

2269
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:38,239
that number's up on the screen it's

2270
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,630
i guess the top of the night

2271
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:47,199
the topic of the night is basically

2272
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:48,400
uh

2273
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:51,040
you know the state of the union of

2274
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:53,360
ufology i guess we'll put it that way

2275
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:54,880
yeah yeah

2276
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:56,960
so

2277
01:20:01,990 --> 01:20:00,000
when you looked at this before obviously

2278
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:02,000
you did overall you looked at this back

2279
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:03,920
when you were you had to create that

2280
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,719
movie back in 1989 you had to look into

2281
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:08,480
it a little bit then that's prior

2282
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:11,840
internet prior to ways of researching

2283
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,639
um was it did you look into books to try

2284
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:16,159
to figure out how you're going to make

2285
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:16,960
this

2286
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,040
abduction movie

2287
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:21,040
yeah there was this thing

2288
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,600
it looks very similar

2289
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:25,600
to this which is what i'm going to start

2290
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:26,719
reading

2291
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:27,760
um

2292
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:28,560
and

2293
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,639
it's a book they call these books

2294
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:33,360
and they have pages and there's a thing

2295
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:36,239
called the library i heard about that

2296
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,679
does that still exist

2297
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:39,760
okay or is that library i can't remember

2298
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:40,719
yeah

2299
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:43,760
i don't know where you put the accent

2300
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:46,719
library or live library um

2301
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:48,560
there was it was fun when i was selling

2302
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:50,239
my swag my videos

2303
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:52,000
at uh the conference people would come

2304
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,040
up a certain percentage of them would

2305
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,719
come said you have any books

2306
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,400
and i would say no but i have something

2307
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,320
better i have this

2308
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:00,159
and i realized that that was the wrong

2309
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:03,679
answer because books allow you

2310
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,320
to take it in and to not have a music

2311
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:08,400
score telling you how to fill you can

2312
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:10,639
just disseminate you know as you want

2313
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,920
so um big fan of books but i did i threw

2314
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,840
down on a whole bunch of books um you

2315
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:18,080
know even roswell

2316
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,040
uh books at the time and everything um

2317
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:23,280
and so all of those were

2318
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,960
you know again communion scared the

2319
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:27,040
out of me excuse my french but it really

2320
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:29,120
terrified me um

2321
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,120
because it was it was well written

2322
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,600
and it was it was you know as we say

2323
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,120
played straight

2324
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,960
and what he was describing there was

2325
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:39,120
just something that you know

2326
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:42,480
uh uh resonated with its authenticity

2327
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,320
and so um

2328
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,320
it was you know it was a big influence

2329
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:48,560
and of course spielberg was my first you

2330
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,560
know influence that and in search of

2331
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:52,480
that series in search of was always my

2332
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:55,199
favorite so before i got in

2333
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:56,880
yeah before i got into actually making

2334
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:00,320
content alien content um

2335
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:02,159
i would dip in and out dip in and out

2336
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:03,840
and then i found

2337
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:07,120
that around uh the 2000s i went you know

2338
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,440
again almost full rabbit hole

2339
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:11,040
and have been in there and find it

2340
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:13,040
endlessly fascinating and

2341
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,800
you know i'm i have some theories and

2342
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:16,480
some ideas on where the you know where

2343
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:18,000
the um

2344
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:19,440
the research and the phenomenon is

2345
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,560
heading

2346
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,800
to okay well we'll touch on that we have

2347
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,800
a caller we'll touch on that just

2348
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,199
remember that we'll get back to it jeff

2349
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:29,280
is on the line from indiana jeff you're

2350
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,550
yeah good evening

2351
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:37,199
good evening evening jeff

2352
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:40,320
yeah i can barely hear you um

2353
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:43,120
uh i just want to say uh i'm not very a

2354
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:44,719
very good speaker and i'm usually not

2355
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,600
very prepared on something like this but

2356
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:50,000
i'm a first-hand experiencer very close

2357
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,520
range broad daylight i've called him

2358
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:53,360
before martin probably knows who i am i

2359
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,880
sent him a picture here a while back of

2360
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,960
some stills i've taken of them

2361
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,360
i can see them periodically it will my

2362
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,440
wife can also

2363
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:03,600
and uh

2364
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:05,920
which proves absolutely nothing unless

2365
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:07,840
like you've i've seen it state a good

2366
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:10,320
term is if you can kick the tires on one

2367
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,480
we're not going to learn anything

2368
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,709
we had like you know 40 feet from our

2369
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:18,719
face

2370
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,600
uh experience of these things moving

2371
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:23,120
over us

2372
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,080
and it was out of the blue uh we were 60

2373
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:27,600
some years old when it happened i was

2374
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,960
always interested in it but we never

2375
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,960
ever saw anything

2376
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:33,199
and um

2377
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,960
uh

2378
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,400
the first thing that happens in your

2379
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,000
mind

2380
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,880
is it's racing to try to figure out what

2381
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:42,639
you're looking at

2382
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:45,520
and you have nothing in your arsenal

2383
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:48,880
in your mind to describe what you're

2384
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:52,000
looking at because it is so strange

2385
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:54,560
it's just absolutely mind-blowingly

2386
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,199
strange it almost gives you a feeling

2387
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:58,800
of divinity

2388
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:00,639
like that's something god would ride in

2389
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,320
you know and um

2390
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,880
i was not afraid we were not afraid it

2391
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:08,800
was like

2392
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,520
i was just ecstatic i said look we these

2393
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,440
things are real

2394
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,679
uh we're witnessing it you know my wife

2395
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:17,440
was standing outside the car in a ditch

2396
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,960
and i was standing almost on the road

2397
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:21,120
because we pulled over to see him

2398
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,440
and we were watching two in tandem go

2399
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:26,000
away and then the fellow lived right

2400
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,440
there came up there and i grew up with

2401
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,080
and i pointed him out to him and you

2402
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,520
know they're only 40 feet off the ground

2403
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:33,199
and they're moving about 15 miles an

2404
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,159
hour

2405
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:36,800
and they're this brilliant orange

2406
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:40,480
pulsating to red almost like a heartbeat

2407
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:43,920
orange to red like this red light would

2408
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:45,440
and then

2409
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,239
a few minutes later a single came

2410
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,760
from behind us

2411
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:51,040
and then a few minutes after that

2412
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:52,719
another single one came from behind us

2413
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:54,800
they were all four identical

2414
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:56,719
and i got the feeling i told my wife i

2415
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,719
said those two that just came over us

2416
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,880
were watching us

2417
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:03,280
watch the first two that's the feeling i

2418
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,800
had like they were watching our reaction

2419
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,350
i researched this happened in 2012 i

2420
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,840
researched this

2421
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:16,080
mufon came out they wanted me to become

2422
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:17,920
a field investigator

2423
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,560
i refused

2424
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,000
because you know i don't think most

2425
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,080
people don't know this the majority of

2426
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:26,880
mufon's field investigators have never

2427
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,840
seen a ufo they're operating strictly on

2428
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,880
faith

2429
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,960
so they like guys like me that have seen

2430
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:35,040
them daylight

2431
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:41,590
conversation with jan jorzan he had the

2432
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:44,000
same experience with his brother

2433
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,679
daylight sighting like this very close

2434
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,600
and um

2435
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:51,600
but i didn't want to i just didn't want

2436
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,880
to i thought it was being more

2437
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:54,560
commercialized

2438
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,560
and i was dead serious about this

2439
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:58,960
because i saw this

2440
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:02,000
and i don't know if it's disturbing

2441
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:03,440
i don't figure i don't care if the

2442
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,880
government came out

2443
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,880
on every night at five o'clock and said

2444
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,400
they're real they're real they're real

2445
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,159
it doesn't matter

2446
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:12,159
it doesn't you're still not gonna if

2447
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:15,520
you're trying to attain the unattainable

2448
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,239
we're cavemen trying to figure out

2449
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,480
god more or less they might as well be

2450
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,560
god because that's how advanced they are

2451
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:24,480
i presume

2452
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,760
and really are we seeing what they are

2453
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,760
are they projecting in our mind what we

2454
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:31,679
want them to see are they creating the

2455
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:35,360
whole scenario right before our eyes

2456
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,719
uh it's it's just so bizarre and yes

2457
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:41,040
martin i believe it should be classified

2458
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:42,800
in the paranormal because it's

2459
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:45,600
definitely not normal

2460
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:50,310
uh there's always things i want to say

2461
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,199
in my mind goes blank on this but uh

2462
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:55,199
well it doesn't matter that people don't

2463
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:56,719
believe

2464
01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:00,320
yeah oh you're right no please leave no

2465
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:01,600
do you believe

2466
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:03,440
i believe it still doesn't matter it

2467
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,920
doesn't tell us what they are

2468
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:07,120
right

2469
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:08,320
jeff

2470
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,000
yes

2471
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,920
so i have to respectfully disagree with

2472
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,159
you with on on two things number one is

2473
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,040
uh you are a very eloquent speaker

2474
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,679
you you i was there you visually created

2475
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:22,400
it for me there 40 feet moving silently

2476
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:25,120
so uh don't worry about you articulating

2477
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:26,719
yourself that was uh

2478
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,800
i i totally get it uh second thing is

2479
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,800
you know i said the same thing to to

2480
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:34,080
yvonne smith

2481
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:36,239
after i'd gone to her experiencer group

2482
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:37,520
and it was really funny because i showed

2483
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,920
up there and all of them said to me that

2484
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:41,679
i looked really familiar and they were

2485
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:42,719
messing with me i think they were

2486
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,560
messing with me uh like they've seen me

2487
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:46,320
on the ship or something before and so i

2488
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:48,239
said to yvonne i said

2489
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:50,719
why am i compelled i'm literally

2490
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:53,600
like last april i turned down a feature

2491
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,560
film

2492
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:56,639
during the pandemic

2493
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:58,560
to shoot a feature film it was a

2494
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,920
multi-million dollar budget the whole

2495
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,920
thing and i turned it down

2496
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:04,159
because i had to finish

2497
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,840
this documentary i was afraid that i

2498
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,679
wasn't going to finish it if i if i

2499
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,600
paused and so i said

2500
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:11,360
why am i so compelled i've never been so

2501
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:14,239
compelled on any other project that i've

2502
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:15,760
i've done before i don't i don't

2503
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:17,760
understand what's going on and she

2504
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:19,840
looked at me laughed and said and i said

2505
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:20,880
you know and i don't get because i'm not

2506
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,719
an experiencer i haven't seen anything

2507
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:24,639
that i can quantify as you know what is

2508
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,120
this uh you know object that i've not

2509
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:29,760
seen before and she laughed and said

2510
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:31,360
dean they don't have to knock on your

2511
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:32,480
door

2512
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:35,440
in order to influence you

2513
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,960
and so because you know spielberg's

2514
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:39,360
never seen a ufo either but he sure as

2515
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:40,800
hell knows how to make movies about and

2516
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,120
same with kubrick so

2517
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,520
uh my feeling is that you do want people

2518
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:47,120
like john mack

2519
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:49,600
um who are investigating this because

2520
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:50,800
they're going to be

2521
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:52,719
applying a certain

2522
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:55,040
non-projected

2523
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,400
regimen

2524
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:58,800
to to understanding this that someone

2525
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,280
who has had an experience uh although

2526
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,600
that is very valuable in the field uh

2527
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,440
might not have it's like a detective

2528
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:07,199
doesn't have to be you know

2529
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:09,440
shot at etc to go and investigate a

2530
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,719
crime scene right

2531
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:12,000
so um

2532
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:13,679
i would just say leave a little room for

2533
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:16,000
those people of us out here that are

2534
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:19,360
trying desperately to to understand this

2535
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,440
um you know even if it's to get as close

2536
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:23,600
as we can to having our own experience

2537
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:24,960
but um you know everyone's trying to

2538
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,719
find answers at the end of the day you

2539
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,320
know the answer doesn't work care where

2540
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:30,159
it came from right

2541
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:31,040
yeah

2542
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:37,920
lot of phone noise here so uh but anyway

2543
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:40,800
i do appreciate the call thank you

2544
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:41,920
thank you

2545
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:42,880
all right

2546
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,280
uh ken calling from la ken

2547
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:51,840
you're live on the

2548
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,320
uh yeah i just want to say that i i've

2549
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,400
been following this shuffle thing for

2550
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:58,880
like uh over 40 years

2551
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:00,400
and i have heard

2552
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:04,560
so many uh reports of ufos um happening

2553
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:07,280
on this planet i've heard about so many

2554
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,280
reports of um underwater usos being seen

2555
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:13,679
and i've also heard reports of ufos

2556
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,719
coming in and out of the oceans so it's

2557
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:18,960
kind of obvious to me

2558
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:21,280
that there must be some advanced

2559
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,840
civilizations that live in our oceans

2560
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:25,440
you know and there was also the story of

2561
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,239
admiral byrd going to the antarctic and

2562
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:30,000
you know encountering

2563
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:33,040
this other uh civilization that they

2564
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:34,960
actually had a battle with and i don't

2565
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:37,600
think that story is fake but um yeah and

2566
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:39,679
then you know our navy has admitted that

2567
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:43,760
they encounter ufos every single day

2568
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:46,080
so again it's kind of obvious to me that

2569
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,440
we're not alone on this planet

2570
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:52,080
um they have it hasn't been every single

2571
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:52,880
day

2572
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,800
it's been i think it skips every few

2573
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:56,880
days no it's if you talk to the people

2574
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:58,880
involved in the nimitz they say that

2575
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:00,800
they had seen this before some people

2576
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:02,480
had the week before

2577
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:06,159
that that was showing up um but ken

2578
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:07,440
absolutely

2579
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:09,760
i i think there's more evidence and if i

2580
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:11,679
was going to point my cameras in a

2581
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:14,000
direction it would be the oceans

2582
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:16,719
um i i i think that there have been so

2583
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:19,120
many sightings going in and everyone

2584
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:20,400
assumes that they're from another planet

2585
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:21,760
because you look up and you see them as

2586
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:23,920
they're you know flying above the uh the

2587
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:25,120
landscape

2588
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,159
but it it could equally equally as

2589
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:30,400
easily be coming from the oceans and

2590
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,840
stuff and the way that they go in where

2591
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:33,840
it looks like the water kind of moves

2592
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:35,760
around them with this field that they've

2593
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:39,120
created anti-gravitational field or um

2594
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:41,040
or some other uh means

2595
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:43,199
so um you know and the fact that matters

2596
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:44,560
we know more about space than we know

2597
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,880
about our oceans so there already is

2598
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:48,560
life there life that we don't even know

2599
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:51,280
exists so um the fact that there could

2600
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:52,960
be something even beyond that uh you

2601
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:53,679
know

2602
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:55,360
i i would say we shouldn't be surprised

2603
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:56,480
by that

2604
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:59,520
well i i also along those lines

2605
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:00,960
dean

2606
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,440
you have to think okay if so they are

2607
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:05,600
living under there

2608
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:08,560
here i am i'm thinking of this again

2609
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:10,400
as uh anthem poor

2610
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,199
ant what am i trying to say human-like

2611
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:15,040
thoughts is what would they be doing

2612
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:17,840
there they can't be going around like

2613
01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:19,920
you know swimming around under there or

2614
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:21,840
have any environment make me sing don't

2615
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:24,560
make me sing the theme to disney's

2616
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:26,560
i know you're gonna make a little

2617
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:29,280
mermaid under the sea under the sea

2618
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:30,880
that's all i have to say

2619
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:33,360
no uh but it just you know what type of

2620
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:34,880
environment could they have under the

2621
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:36,239
ocean you know i mean that's another

2622
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:39,679
speculative uh question

2623
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:41,360
or it could be that they go through

2624
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:42,480
there and they're going into their own

2625
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:45,040
dimension and it's just the you know

2626
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:46,560
the way that they're traveling that it

2627
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:48,159
is an actual physical

2628
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:49,679
see again we have to kind of say all

2629
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:51,040
right we think it could be this physical

2630
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:52,480
thing but does it have to be what if

2631
01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:54,000
it's something else that it's not a

2632
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:56,639
physical place it's it's a if you were a

2633
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:59,040
portal yeah um i'm you know i'm not a

2634
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:01,440
big fan of the wormhole stuff not not

2635
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:03,280
that i'm discounting it i'm just saying

2636
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:04,880
that just seems so volatile it seems

2637
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:06,960
like there's got to be other ways

2638
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:10,400
to to travel then you know

2639
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:12,080
i think the way that they're doing this

2640
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:14,000
is so easy that you know when i hear

2641
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:16,320
about folding time and stuff

2642
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:17,920
you know certainly that that factors

2643
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,920
into it but you know when i hear well we

2644
01:33:24,070 --> 01:33:21,600
should be able to go four light years

2645
01:33:25,669 --> 01:33:24,080
away and if we have the right technology

2646
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:25,679
we could do that in eight years that's

2647
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:26,639
too long

2648
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:27,440
whatever they're doing it's

2649
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,719
instantaneous

2650
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:30,800
and i think every planet maybe has its

2651
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,239
own different frequencies that they're

2652
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:34,639
tuning in why not we know that the higgs

2653
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,520
bow collider they've found 11 dimensions

2654
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:39,360
so far so

2655
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:40,960
you know we're at the precipice of

2656
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:42,960
understanding what we don't understand

2657
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:44,560
what we don't know

2658
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:47,440
that's right bill bill commented he just

2659
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:49,840
sent a chat to me the ocean may be a

2660
01:33:54,629 --> 01:33:52,719
barrier to keep us out of reach and for

2661
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:54,639
all we know they can have underground

2662
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:57,120
bases underwater which is you know i

2663
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,080
mean

2664
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:00,480
it crazy as it sounds it's it's possible

2665
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:03,600
you get down just a short way down there

2666
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:06,719
and it's black you know they're okay

2667
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:08,159
right but let me ask you this one how

2668
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:11,360
many times uh uh i'm curious how many

2669
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:14,080
times have the the projected warnings

2670
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:15,280
that the aliens

2671
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,199
imparted telepathically to these

2672
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:18,960
experiences have they talked about the

2673
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:21,120
oceans as well so if i'm living there

2674
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,719
specifically i'm living actually that

2675
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:24,159
would be the first thing i would say is

2676
01:34:27,189 --> 01:34:25,040
hey

2677
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,199
really can you throw your plastic bag in

2678
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:29,280
the ocean the straws

2679
01:34:34,229 --> 01:34:31,840
it's mostly above land they do include

2680
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,239
it i know they do but i would hit that

2681
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,560
one pretty hard if i was physically

2682
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:37,760
living

2683
01:34:41,830 --> 01:34:39,360
you know under there

2684
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:41,840
i wonder if it's uh if they eat sushi i

2685
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,080
wonder if that's what it is yeah yeah

2686
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:46,000
but again why are they going out and

2687
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,080
coming back where are they going that's

2688
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:50,320
why i'm so disturbed when i hear these

2689
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:51,360
critics

2690
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:54,480
you know uh talk about uh you know like

2691
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:56,800
um neil degrasse tyson they're just if

2692
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:58,159
you see them they're flying if they

2693
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:59,440
exist fine they're flying everything

2694
01:35:01,910 --> 01:35:00,639
it's like really

2695
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,920
you're going to appear here and you're

2696
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:03,840
not going to pull over maybe you're not

2697
01:35:07,109 --> 01:35:05,600
going to hit in and out burger but you

2698
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:07,119
know you might pull over

2699
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:08,960
stretch out for a little bit check

2700
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,000
something you know you're not just going

2701
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,480
to fly through and if it's a drone

2702
01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:14,960
why doesn't need to be 40 feet long

2703
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:16,480
we have drones right now that are the

2704
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,199
size of you know flies

2705
01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:21,760
right that's right um i heard

2706
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,639
neil degrasse tyson recently say why is

2707
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:26,880
it only the military that sees these

2708
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:29,199
things and um you know what i mean what

2709
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:31,199
is it you're not paying attention neil

2710
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,560
yeah for the past 70 years

2711
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:37,199
right um let's see do we still have

2712
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:40,639
is it ken are you still there ken

2713
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:42,800
i think ken is gone so the line is open

2714
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,639
and that's eight five five four seven

2715
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:46,560
two five four eight three are you

2716
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:48,080
welcome to uh

2717
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,159
throw us a a question

2718
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,320
our dean a question but yeah you know

2719
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:54,239
the the

2720
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:57,280
the moving between

2721
01:36:02,870 --> 01:35:59,760
you know the different mediums is

2722
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:02,880
fascinating to me because first of all

2723
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:04,000
you know i know i've brought this up

2724
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:05,360
many times

2725
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:07,119
and uh

2726
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,560
but why isn't there a sonic boom

2727
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:12,480
and why aren't there splashes in the

2728
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:14,719
water you know when these things seem to

2729
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:17,119
go down into the water

2730
01:36:21,109 --> 01:36:19,840
and and uh you know mark d'antonio was

2731
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:21,119
on board where

2732
01:36:25,109 --> 01:36:22,960
a submarine where

2733
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:25,119
a vehicle was traveling at several

2734
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:26,560
hundred knots

2735
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:28,080
you know how can something move through

2736
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:29,920
the water at that type of speed this is

2737
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:32,000
going back 20 years

2738
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,480
you know it makes you really wonder

2739
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:36,960
how if if we are

2740
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:39,360
being visited by whatever what are they

2741
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:40,639
and how can they do the things they're

2742
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:42,159
doing

2743
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:43,600
yeah again

2744
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:45,520
i think that we have to just look at the

2745
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:46,800
simple fact and if you want to call

2746
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:48,800
ackman's occam's razor or whatever you

2747
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:50,400
want to call it if we had that

2748
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,600
technology

2749
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,840
are we not doing the same thing

2750
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:55,360
are we not going out to other

2751
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:58,239
civilizations and doing you know

2752
01:37:02,550 --> 01:36:59,760
exploratory

2753
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,560
uh missions of course of course we would

2754
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:04,880
be doing that we would check out life as

2755
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:07,600
it exists and and

2756
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,600
so it just it it makes sense if we can

2757
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:11,920
even just project to our limited scope

2758
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:13,520
of understanding how life is that we

2759
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,840
would do that of course some advanced

2760
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:17,119
civilization

2761
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:18,880
you know would do that it just makes

2762
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:21,199
total sense and the the irony is smart

2763
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:22,159
people

2764
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,679
like you know um

2765
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:25,040
stephen hawking

2766
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:26,719
you know he's like we never should have

2767
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:28,239
sent out voyager

2768
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,800
that was a mistake because you know look

2769
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:32,960
at our civilization what we do well as

2770
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,679
even so stack will say that's you know

2771
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,600
what we've done to our own

2772
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:40,239
but it's not species to species right

2773
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:41,840
but we've already sent out the signal

2774
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:43,119
that we had nothing to do with and it

2775
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:44,080
happened

2776
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:44,960
you know

2777
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,320
uh billions of years ago when we had an

2778
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:50,880
atmosphere that had oxygen yeah that's a

2779
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:52,159
visual

2780
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:53,199
stamp

2781
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:55,040
that's that's you know identifiable and

2782
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:56,719
when the james webb launches it's been

2783
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,840
delayed but it comes out december 22nd

2784
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,600
my hope is that we see something like

2785
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:03,760
that that to me is the smoking gun if

2786
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,760
you really want a smoking gun it's it's

2787
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:07,600
not grabbing them down and you know a

2788
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:09,679
ship crashing which just can we take a

2789
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,560
moment for that ship crashes

2790
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:15,199
i need to understand help me understand

2791
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,719
how a ship crashes and the government's

2792
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:21,280
uh you know on-site task force gets

2793
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:23,040
there ahead of them sending out a signal

2794
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:24,480
to their ship when they can travel so

2795
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:27,440
fast i don't understand that um

2796
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,520
it makes sense that you know things do

2797
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:31,600
crash you know i have a car it's you

2798
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:32,400
know

2799
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:34,080
uh it's pretty stable but occasionally i

2800
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:35,920
gotta get the windshield wipers and you

2801
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:37,600
know stuff happens

2802
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:38,960
but um

2803
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:40,719
i feel like if that had happened

2804
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,639
throughout history there would be

2805
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:44,480
someone some indigenous people that

2806
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:45,920
would be cooking this big walk that

2807
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:48,400
would be a shell of a ufo and be like

2808
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:49,119
hey

2809
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:50,560
this is their communal thing that we do

2810
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:53,280
and it'll be repurposed or something so

2811
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:55,840
um barring that happening which i would

2812
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,480
love to see a crash craft and i'm not

2813
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:59,920
saying that that hasn't happened it's

2814
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:00,719
just

2815
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,960
um i think the smoking gun is us finding

2816
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:06,400
another civilization ourselves and

2817
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:07,760
seeing that and

2818
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:10,400
yeah you know i think that i know daniel

2819
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:13,600
yeah james webb will have 100 100 times

2820
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:16,639
the capacity of the hubble so you know

2821
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,040
maybe we will see those life signals out

2822
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,280
there it sure will be an exciting time

2823
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,679
when seth top we have someone on the

2824
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:25,679
line nicole

2825
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:28,159
in washington nicole you're live on the

2826
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,590
hello nicole

2827
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,229
nicole in washington can you hear me

2828
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,719
oh you know it may be i'm sorry nicole

2829
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,109
you there nicole

2830
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:49,360
yes

2831
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:52,320
hi there welcome to the show nicole

2832
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:53,360
hi

2833
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,040
thank you martin you have a wonderful

2834
01:39:57,990 --> 01:39:57,040
show thank you for all your work well

2835
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:58,000
thank you

2836
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,040
and

2837
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:01,280
my question is about whether you feel

2838
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:04,239
that the high incidence of

2839
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:08,000
sightings around nuclear installations

2840
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:09,520
and weaponry

2841
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:12,800
could be not as much that they are

2842
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:15,119
interested in those sites

2843
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:16,159
for

2844
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,040
the idea of us you know having the

2845
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:22,080
ability to destroy ourselves but that

2846
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:25,760
the existence of the nuclear matter

2847
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,719
assists in some way for them to be able

2848
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:31,040
to come through however

2849
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:33,199
they're doing that that somehow

2850
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,239
that

2851
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,400
expressed sort of level of decreased

2852
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:38,800
randomness that's created by those

2853
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:41,920
nuclear um existence of the nuclear

2854
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,880
material might in some way affect

2855
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:47,199
that uh process

2856
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,800
that's really interesting

2857
01:40:52,629 --> 01:40:50,560
that's awesome i love that i haven't

2858
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,639
heard that one before congratulations

2859
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,080
that's like the first new theory i've

2860
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:56,719
heard in a couple years um

2861
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,400
uh it's it's interesting because if you

2862
01:41:02,950 --> 01:40:59,840
talk to the people

2863
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,960
um who research this um they'll tell you

2864
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:04,719
that

2865
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:08,800
discovered created the rockets for for

2866
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:10,800
what became the u.s

2867
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:12,639
space program and the russian space

2868
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:13,760
program both believed that

2869
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:15,119
extraterrestrials gave them that

2870
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:17,360
technology

2871
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:21,280
a chance that that that might have also

2872
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:22,719
been imparted

2873
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:25,440
with oppenheimer i mean it's a dark

2874
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,760
you know version or dark question but um

2875
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:31,520
so you're saying that maybe it's not

2876
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:33,199
literally like a nicole that they

2877
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,639
literally punched a hole through where

2878
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:36,880
they created a vortex for them to go

2879
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:39,119
through because of the nuclear

2880
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,400
um

2881
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:42,400
fallout or the nuclear blast itself and

2882
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,239
then they came through that

2883
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:46,560
because we've had reports of ufos way

2884
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:48,560
before them

2885
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:51,600
no no no not the actual blast not

2886
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,960
anything to do with the actual

2887
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,400
detonation

2888
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,480
but in general

2889
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,119
it seems like sites that are not

2890
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:01,280
actually you know detonating any of this

2891
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:03,920
nuclear material have so much of a

2892
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:05,520
higher incidence like all of the sites

2893
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:08,000
in you know the all of the areas where

2894
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,440
we have silos

2895
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:11,280
up in montana and

2896
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:13,440
north dakota and all of those um

2897
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:15,119
incidents up there

2898
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:16,960
that it's purely

2899
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:18,800
the fact that that

2900
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:20,400
that that

2901
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:23,600
enormous amount of nuclear um product up

2902
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:25,920
there somehow changes

2903
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:27,119
how

2904
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,639
they're able to access whatever

2905
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:32,960
whatever way they come through to us

2906
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:34,800
might have something to do with

2907
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:37,520
what i think might be like a decrease in

2908
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:40,239
the randomness of that area which i

2909
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:43,119
think you could possibly extrapolate

2910
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:45,040
to some other

2911
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:47,920
ideas of why certain areas have higher

2912
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:50,320
incidents than other areas that there

2913
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:51,760
might be things

2914
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:54,800
such as like high iron containing

2915
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:57,199
areas

2916
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:59,199
i don't know that you know there's been

2917
01:43:01,990 --> 01:43:00,239
a lot of

2918
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,000
of

2919
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:04,400
research on actually

2920
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:07,119
like nuclear producing energy

2921
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,400
as far as

2922
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,480
reactors but i think that would be a

2923
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:12,960
really interesting area for research to

2924
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,320
find out whether there's higher

2925
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:16,400
incidents in areas that have

2926
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:18,320
um have reactors

2927
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,600
i i live in manufacturing

2928
01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:23,840
20 miles from three mile island when it

2929
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,400
exploded or had its incident

2930
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:28,320
so it was just um

2931
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:29,920
and i did have a

2932
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:32,719
i did have an occurrence as a child um

2933
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:35,840
of what i believe to be a ufo and so i

2934
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:38,000
just was interested in that as an idea i

2935
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:39,360
don't know if anybody's really looked

2936
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:40,639
into it

2937
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:42,080
thank you

2938
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,199
i mean i don't know if you've ever heard

2939
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:47,679
of you know the chernobyl they were

2940
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:51,360
saying they thought they saw ufos over

2941
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:52,960
um before the

2942
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:55,520
sarcophagus was built uh you know right

2943
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:58,560
after the the meltdown they were saying

2944
01:44:01,669 --> 01:44:00,239
there were a lot of people claiming that

2945
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:01,679
they were seeing ufos there i don't know

2946
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:06,870
that's exactly the point that i was you

2947
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,760
know feeling like that might be

2948
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:12,400
sort of multiple different strains of

2949
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:13,920
the same

2950
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:14,880
um

2951
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:17,600
the same reason but yet it shows up in

2952
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,360
different ways like the chernobyl having

2953
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,520
an incident and then also just

2954
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:24,239
like our northern tier of of military

2955
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:25,280
silos

2956
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:28,320
um my father was based in minot north

2957
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:30,960
dakota his air force officer

2958
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:31,920
and

2959
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:34,880
you know i think that a lot of those

2960
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:35,920
incidents

2961
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,719
might be more related than we think they

2962
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:40,800
are and i think that it might be

2963
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,520
something where people have sort of

2964
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:45,840
put on a causation

2965
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:48,320
of thinking that they're looking at our

2966
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:50,960
our military nuclear sites because

2967
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:53,600
specifically looking at them as weapons

2968
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:56,320
and that is their reasoning but i think

2969
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:57,920
it might have something much more

2970
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,719
fundamental to do with how they actually

2971
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,400
need some sort of

2972
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:04,639
um i wouldn't say weakness but some sort

2973
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:07,840
of opening some way for them to come to

2974
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:10,159
come through to us how do you um factor

2975
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:14,000
in i'm curious how do you factor in

2976
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:15,520
and i guess fukushimi we should probably

2977
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:16,800
see if there were sightings there when

2978
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:19,520
that whole meltdown um happened but how

2979
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:21,280
do you factor in that a lot of these

2980
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:22,239
sites

2981
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:23,119
um

2982
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:25,360
are given demonstrations they're not

2983
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:27,280
just kind of appearing and hanging out

2984
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:29,440
um there have been reports from credible

2985
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:30,960
uh people that worked at these bases

2986
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:33,520
where these missiles have gone up

2987
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:35,920
and they've had the cones where they've

2988
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:36,639
got

2989
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,880
dummies they don't actually they're not

2990
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:40,880
you know uh uh

2991
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:43,119
equipped with any warheads they're just

2992
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:45,360
doing an exercise and they go up and

2993
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,040
these um

2994
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:49,600
these uh rockets have been hit

2995
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,480
with supposedly beams of light that kind

2996
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,480
of you know these ships were these

2997
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:56,800
crafts these ufo uaps will move around

2998
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,159
them as that's happening kind of like a

2999
01:46:01,430 --> 01:46:00,159
demonstration and then there's also the

3000
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,440
shutting down

3001
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:03,520
so it seems like for me i've always

3002
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:05,360
thought this is just my my take on it

3003
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,320
i've always thought that it was a

3004
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:07,840
demonstration to say

3005
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,360
just be aware

3006
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:11,360
that we can shut this down at any time

3007
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:17,990
i think that's a very valid theory and i

3008
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:20,159
think that that could well you know be

3009
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:22,560
the case i think you could also look at

3010
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:24,320
it from the other side

3011
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:27,520
if it was this idea that they had more

3012
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:30,239
ability to interact with that kind of

3013
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:32,639
material then it might just be that

3014
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:35,679
that's something that they're able to do

3015
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:38,719
because of the nuclear um sort of that

3016
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,360
decreased randomness randomness in the

3017
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:43,920
area that they can then how somehow you

3018
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:46,159
know interact with it better so that

3019
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:48,000
they're able to affect something that

3020
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,000
maybe they couldn't actually affect

3021
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:52,080
otherwise if there wasn't the

3022
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:54,560
um sort of nuclear matter in that in

3023
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:56,719
that region i mean i think there is

3024
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:58,960
always a possibility that it's multiple

3025
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:01,199
things you know that that

3026
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:04,000
it's it's both what you're saying

3027
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:06,080
and also that um

3028
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:08,000
that it somehow affects how they

3029
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:10,159
traverse from wherever they're coming

3030
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:11,360
whether that's

3031
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,960
as you know

3032
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,400
there's a lot of us researchers who like

3033
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,920
to say it's all the above and none of

3034
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:17,520
the above

3035
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:18,480
right

3036
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:19,760
exactly

3037
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:28,950
that was a great call appreciate it

3038
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:31,030
all right so you know while she was

3039
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:34,239
speaking i went ahead and googled

3040
01:47:38,709 --> 01:47:36,880
you know fukushima and ufos and sure

3041
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:38,719
enough yes there was uh

3042
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:42,400
orbs five orbs spotted above the

3043
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:43,840
fukushima

3044
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:44,639
so

3045
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:46,400
whether that's related any type of way

3046
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:49,040
or whether they were earthquake lights

3047
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:50,960
which is a phenomenon that does happen

3048
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:52,639
this is talking about during you know

3049
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:54,639
right after the earthquake so

3050
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:57,040
it could have been just that but it's

3051
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:59,119
interesting i wonder i wonder if if they

3052
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,600
appear not only in moments of crisis but

3053
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:03,360
if they appear like at the

3054
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:04,800
thriller in manila

3055
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,639
when muhammad ali

3056
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:08,960
was having his big fight if they weren't

3057
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:10,320
there for that big event because that

3058
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:11,360
you know

3059
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:12,560
kind of a

3060
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:15,119
big event or is it just you know crisis

3061
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,159
moments

3062
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:18,480
yeah yeah well you know it's it is

3063
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:20,400
fascinating this

3064
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:23,440
and you know like my friend says

3065
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:24,880
a friend that i've been speaking to

3066
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:28,320
about this you know why isn't

3067
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:30,000
you know when the government is taking a

3068
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:31,280
look at this

3069
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,920
that seems to me or seems to a lot of

3070
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,080
people that are looking into this

3071
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,000
why isn't the nuclear

3072
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:40,080
warhead shutdowns

3073
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,159
like a major issue

3074
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:44,239
of national security that's not being

3075
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:45,360
taken

3076
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:48,480
totally seriously and investigated

3077
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:50,560
because i think they are and i don't and

3078
01:48:55,270 --> 01:48:53,040
i would never if i'm running that that

3079
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,280
operation i'm not going to advertise at

3080
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:57,040
all again as much as i like to put

3081
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,480
myself in the aliens perspective i also

3082
01:49:01,910 --> 01:49:00,320
like to put it in the military or those

3083
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:01,920
who are on the knowings perspective

3084
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,119
you're not going to come out and say

3085
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:05,520
look we can't guarantee that it's

3086
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:06,880
someone else

3087
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,639
i mean if you look at the fravor

3088
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:10,960
situation it was benign they flew around

3089
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:13,199
and took off nice little you know kind

3090
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:15,360
of aerobatics right

3091
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:16,080
so

3092
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:19,679
um i think with with this it's it's

3093
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,000
breaching it's an act of war and out and

3094
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:24,239
out act of war and if you can't assign

3095
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:25,679
that to anything

3096
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:27,040
i think just coming out i mean that

3097
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,040
would be the next level of can i hit use

3098
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:31,119
that word disclosure reveal or

3099
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:32,560
acknowledge acknowledgement i think is a

3100
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:35,440
better word of the military to say that

3101
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:37,199
um but it would have to be witnessed

3102
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:38,639
beyond that and have to be you know

3103
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:40,639
footage and stuff but hey before i

3104
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,960
forget i wanted to say this on your last

3105
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:44,400
podcast

3106
01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:45,760
um

3107
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,440
that i am

3108
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:49,920
i haven't two years have i been a

3109
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:51,760
patreon subscriber

3110
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:54,159
yeah i love the fact that your podcast

3111
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:55,920
dude you're one of the only ones that

3112
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:58,800
really don't have commercials

3113
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,880
and the reason why you do that is that

3114
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:03,119
you don't believe in that thank god and

3115
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:05,040
so uh you're like again you're like my

3116
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:07,760
first go-to uh i think you and alejandro

3117
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:09,360
uh don't do that and there's maybe a

3118
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:11,760
couple more but that's appreciated and

3119
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:13,920
so that's why i subscribe and i pay

3120
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:16,480
because my time is of value and i want

3121
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:17,760
to be able to

3122
01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:19,760
to you know give back and and hear stuff

3123
01:50:23,109 --> 01:50:21,599
like this but also um

3124
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:23,119
you know it's a convenience that comes

3125
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:24,480
back to me because i don't have to sit

3126
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,679
through ads and

3127
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:27,920
and you know hear about my pillow and

3128
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:29,119
and

3129
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:30,960
other products that i don't really use

3130
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:32,800
well i will thank you for saying that

3131
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,280
dean and anyone can support the show for

3132
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,800
a couple of dollars or more a month and

3133
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:39,280
that's the patreon page is linked right

3134
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:41,119
on podcastufo.com

3135
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:43,920
but i will tell you this that i get

3136
01:50:50,229 --> 01:50:46,960
contacted constantly i i just got

3137
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:50,239
contacted from a advertiser that wants

3138
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:53,360
to pay me 250 dollars per show to run

3139
01:50:59,589 --> 01:50:56,880
ads you know their ads on it and um i

3140
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:59,599
just decided in the beginning that

3141
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:00,880
that's something that i'm not going to

3142
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:03,280
do i don't want to run ads on this um

3143
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,840
now there are 10 years pop up on there

3144
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:07,920
are ads that pop up on youtube

3145
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:10,560
you know that's a way to uh i have that

3146
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:12,080
basically to supplement you know the

3147
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:13,920
graphics are costly and you know the

3148
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,040
things that i

3149
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:18,080
i do uh on occasion you know cost some

3150
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,760
money but anyway thank you for saying

3151
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:21,599
that i appreciate that

3152
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:24,400
absolutely yeah so we have we have like

3153
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,480
three minutes but i'm going back to the

3154
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:29,360
to the nukes you know i mean i when i

3155
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,920
had mentioned this i just mentioned it i

3156
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,360
believe last week

3157
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:35,840
and also the very first episode of the

3158
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:38,080
show is up on youtube by the way on my

3159
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:39,760
youtube channel

3160
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:42,960
so in that in particular i mention it as

3161
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:45,040
well and that's my insurance broker from

3162
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:47,440
years ago had said that

3163
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:50,400
ufos had an interest in nuclear he

3164
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:53,840
didn't say nuclear weapons he didn't say

3165
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:56,080
um you know nuclear power plants he just

3166
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:57,599
said nuclear

3167
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:02,239
and you say nuclear or nuclear

3168
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:05,520
no he says any anything nuclear he said

3169
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,599
i do remember him saying it's not just

3170
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:09,199
warheads though it's power plants or

3171
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:10,960
something like that he said

3172
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:13,199
they're very interested in it

3173
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,320
and

3174
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,280
you know so why not plutonium

3175
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:19,520
why not uh you know she was talking

3176
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:21,679
about nuclear you know warheads and

3177
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:24,639
things like that but why

3178
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:26,159
if that's the case they have some type

3179
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:28,960
of interest you know why not

3180
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:31,599
into the element itself

3181
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:34,159
well and then how visible is it if

3182
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:35,760
you're you know how many feet under the

3183
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:36,719
ground

3184
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:39,280
doing you know plutonium which are you

3185
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:41,040
know unless you're certain nations you

3186
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,880
shouldn't be doing those um are they

3187
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:44,400
able to track that whereas missiles and

3188
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:46,719
stuff they're you know at least the the

3189
01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:48,960
silos for you know you could go fly over

3190
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:50,080
and see

3191
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,920
yeah um that they're there so how

3192
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,520
visible i you know someone needs to do

3193
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:55,840
research on that what what what attracts

3194
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:56,800
them that that would be really

3195
01:53:01,189 --> 01:52:58,800
interesting just to focus on that one

3196
01:53:02,470 --> 01:53:01,199
aspect yeah dean it's been a real

3197
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:02,480
pleasure we're right at the end of the

3198
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:05,040
show i can't believe it went so fast but

3199
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:06,320
thank you

3200
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:07,679
you're a good friend it's always fun to

3201
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:08,960
talk to you thanks for coming on the

3202
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:10,000
show

3203
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:12,560
uh thank you for inviting me you bet and

3204
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,719
we'll have you back when your things are

3205
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:15,760
we know when they're going to be

3206
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,840
released and all that all right dean yes

3207
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,280
you take care

3208
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:21,840
all right take care yeah bye

3209
01:53:26,310 --> 01:53:23,040
all right everyone so i'm going to be

3210
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:26,320
back next week with peter slatterly from

3211
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:28,719
australia should be an interesting show

3212
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,480
you really have to get he's got the real

3213
01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:32,639
strong accent but he's a fun guy and

3214
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:34,400
it'll be a great show so remember

3215
01:53:39,110 --> 01:53:36,239
everyone keep your eyes to the sky we'll

3216
01:53:48,230 --> 01:53:39,120
see you next week